Green Maned Lion
Engineer
Agreed. The five engines are a function of 2 going with the CZ, 2 going with the DW, and 1 going with the Pioneer.
Most Amtrak's photos are edited. Look through timetable pictures and you will notice the locomotive numbers are almost always photoshopped off. Also if you look at the 2009-2010 vacations guide, the cooling fans are missing from the tops of the P42s. I think the windows are wrong on the sleepers, too. They have the middle window completely blanked, instead of half blanked.If they were editing the photo, why leave the baggage car in? They could have simply edited it out. Also, I only see one sightseer lounge after the mid baggage. I think you are seeing some shadows. It also does not explain having 5 locos.I'm telling you the ad is photoshopped. At the front is a EB consist, Mid train theres a baggage car, and towards the rear there are two Sightseer Lounges. I rest my case.
cpamtfan-Peter
I do not see anything that proves it is an edited photo.
Removing small details is one thing. Adding cars to a train is a lot harder. Not to mention does not make sense in this picture. If they added those cars on the back, did they also add locos on the front? Why else would there be 5 locos?Most Amtrak's photos are edited. Look through timetable pictures and you will notice the locomotive numbers are almost always photoshopped off. Also if you look at the 2009-2010 vacations guide, the cooling fans are missing from the tops of the P42s. I think the windows are wrong on the sleepers, too. They have the middle window completely blanked, instead of half blanked.
Here's how:I don't know how you all see that many cars in the consist! I see:
The first baggage is not visible in the photograph, between the angle and the height.Either way, it makes no sense to me. If there are three trains here, why is there only one bag and why is it right in the center of the train?
I can't say for sure about the sleepers on the DW and Pioneer, because those were the days I rode coach. Although I did get a roomette for 1 night and go coach 1 night, but the roomette was CHI-DEN and coach was DEN-LAS. Both also had checked baggage, as I've check bags to LAS and SEA on them.My guess is that there just weren't sleepers on the Wind/Pioneer, and if you wanted a sleeper between Chicago and ... Salt Lake? ... you had to book separately, to be in a sleeper on the Zephyr for the first half, then switch trains basically when the split happened. I'd hope Amtrak was smart enough to just put your luggage in the correct place at the start rather than moving it! Did the Pioneer not have checked baggage, or did it carry checked baggage downstairs in one of the coaches as a coach/baggage?
I've read accounts that the Wind had only a Hi-Level lounge/diner or a Sightseer as its food servicde, no full Superliner diner ever. I'd imagine the Pioneer was the same, and that explains why we see two Sightseers coupled together here.
If they were editing the photo, why leave the baggage car in? They could have simply edited it out. Also, I only see one sightseer lounge after the mid baggage. I think you are seeing some shadows. It also does not explain having 5 locos.I'm telling you the ad is photoshopped. At the front is a EB consist, Mid train theres a baggage car, and towards the rear there are two Sightseer Lounges. I rest my case.
cpamtfan-Peter
I do not see anything that proves it is an edited photo.
Note that one key difference between this and the Auto Train is that the AT doesn't have to go over any 9,000 foot mountain ranges. Heck, the Auto Train probably doesn't even have to deal with more than 500 feet in total elevation change over its entire run.i say 5 engines are over kill. if 2 engines can pull a fully loaded auto train why can't 2 or 3 locos pull that whole train unless only 2 or 3 are online and the others will be used for the split. though that would be alot of dead weight and extra fuel burned.
Yeah, I too do not see how a baggage car could be between the loco and the transdorm.I disagree, Wayman. I don't think there is a baggage between the last Genesis and the Transdorm.
I could go either way on that "invisible baggage", as to whether it's there or not. But why would that first car be a Transdorm if there's no single-level car to Trans to?I disagree, Wayman. I don't think there is a baggage between the last Genesis and the Transdorm. I also disagree on the make up. The Pioneer ran with a diner.
You would still need crew space and back then, I believe, the transdorms were crew only space.I could go either way on that "invisible baggage", as to whether it's there or not. But why would that first car be a Transdorm if there's no single-level car to Trans to?
Don't take disagreement personally. None of us have proof of anything here. We are all just spit balling our own ideas, which I have particularly enjoyed. Your observations are just as important as anyones, but you have to know no of us has any absolute proof, just opinions.I think I see a diner infront of the two lounges of the second train, and the first train is the EB. But noone really believes me so I'll just keep quiet.
cpamtfan-Peter
I wholeheartedly agree with your last sentiment here. Awful choice for an ad. Awful photograph.I disagree with all of you, edited or not, real or not, it is an awful looking train and I would never have put it in an advert.
Well Im old too and IIRC there were some strange looking trains during the transition period ofPrivate RRs to AMTRAK!Lots of mixing of cars,passenger and freight,engines,baggage,sleepers,domes,lounges
Bill,Why did I not keep better notes'? Well, what for? There was no AU that I knew of, I would never have known I would some day be able to communicate such info as consist notes with other fans.
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