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Nathanael
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Thanks for the info.
I have hope for December 2013. I think they can do it if they pick up the pace.The scheduled time for St Paul Union Station completion was supposed to be Nov 2013. That probably won't happen so my guess is March 2014.
I think you mean January 2014. Yes that is still the goal.I wasn't aware that they were planning to connect both ends, as I thought the plan was to have stub-end tracks with the trains backing in/out. Run-through operation would certainly be preferable.
As for the switchover date, I remember hearing that there was a mid-January 2013 date posted at Midway Station this past summer. Not sure if that is still the goal. I suspect they will shoot for a low-traffic time to work out the kinks, which would suggest something in the Jan-April time frame.
Union Depot did actually open in December of last year. The rail connection wasn't finished (or actually started), though. Not Ramsey County's finest moment. If Amtrak moves to Union Depot next year, I'll be pleasantly surprised.Wasn't the original completion time December 2012? I remember seeing posters in MSP with that date as a "target" on several of my trips in the Fall of 2012.
No, the west end tie-in to the CP Main hasn't happened, it will happen, when it happens, when the CP allows it to happen -- signal work not done yet -- and when it happens it will be a 2-5 hour job because it affects the CP's main - those railroads - messing with any main-line they really want to minimize the down-timedabrilloman, your photos look like model railroading in 1:1 scale! Thanks for posting them.
On the west end, is that lead track already tied in to the mainline out of sight under the bridge and around the curve?
As for the east end, I've stared at Google Earth for more minutes than I care to admit and cannot figure how things are going to tie in there (what with that wye being where it is), much less contemplate signalling.
Be sure to check out the second diagram, too. I found that after my original post and added it while you were writing your post. The best thing about this diagram is that it clarifies that the trackage closest to the depot is still jointly owned by BNSF/CP/UP (whose predecessors were instrumental in developing SPUD) but controlled and maintained today by UP.Thanks for the diagram, wherever it came from it makes the layout clear for all of us who are concerned about progress on the project.
Presumably, yes. All of the documents I have seen show this track ending east of the station without connecting to any other tracks.The site plan shows a track branching off on the east side, running parallel to the north leg of the wye. I'm assuming this is a stub track to allow switching operations without fouling the main?
Yes, the tail track - storage track - that runs east curving north from the station - past points 2 and 4 and inside the "west leg" in the diagram - that is already in place.Presumably, yes. All of the documents I have seen show this track ending east of the station without connecting to any other tracks.The site plan shows a track branching off on the east side, running parallel to the north leg of the wye. I'm assuming this is a stub track to allow switching operations without fouling the main?
Thanks so much. This explains exactly what's happening.Perhaps most significant over the past year is the document here, a 91-page report outlining all of the construction and coordination required of this project. This document pertains to all three of the Class I railroads involved and was current as of last December, though a revised one for UP was approved in June, and is available here. Construction agreements with each of the involved railroads are also posted and available for viewing. The one for BNSF is here, the one for CP is here, and the one for UP is here.
Yes, thank you for finding them!Anybody with an interest in this project really must check out these documents.
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