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Whatever happened to the substantial boost in ridership that the Sunset Limited was supposed to enjoy after being rescheduled to suit people who hate sleeping in and love to wander around aimlessly before anything important opens?
 
We were on TheSunset this past June, It got in six hours late.We didn't have any big plans for the day in LA, so that worked out well. It was nice seeing Palm Springs during daylight.

As for not getting into a hotel before 3, if you are in a sleeper you can leave your bags in the lounge. Phillipes opens at 7 and you could always take a subway into Hollywood or do some exploring.
 
The arrival times of the SL into LA for the past 3 weeks are interesting. Status Maps Archive Database for arrivals since #1(8/15) below. The arrival of #1(8/15) that was 4 hours, 53 minutes late was only 41 minutes late departing Pomona, CA, but got seriously delayed on the home stretch. As UP continues to double track the route from LA to El Paso and upgrades are implemented on the LA Union Station to San Bernardino segment, Amtrak is going to have to consider a major readjustment to the SL and maybe TE schedules or the SL #1 will routinely arrive at LA at close to 4 AM. How often is the SL stopping and waiting on scheduled departure times between ELP and ONA?

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History for Amtrak 1 at LAX (Los Angeles - Union Station, CA)
Origin Date Sch AR Act AR Comments Service Disruption Cancellations
09/05/2015 (Sa) 09/07/2015 5:35 AM (Mo) 5:08AM Arr: 27 min early. 
09/02/2015 (We) 09/04/2015 5:35 AM (Fr) 4:41AM Arr: 54 min early. 
08/31/2015 (Mo) 09/02/2015 5:35 AM (We) 4:20AM Arr: 1 hr, 15 min early. 
08/29/2015 (Sa) 08/31/2015 5:35 AM (Mo) 4:19AM Arr: 1 hr, 16 min early. 
08/26/2015 (We) 08/28/2015 5:35 AM (Fr) 4:25AM Arr: 1 hr, 10 min early. 
08/24/2015 (Mo) 08/26/2015 5:35 AM (We) 4:19AM Arr: 1 hr, 16 min early. 
08/22/2015 (Sa) 08/24/2015 5:35 AM (Mo) 4:23AM Arr: 1 hr, 12 min early. 
08/19/2015 (We) 08/21/2015 5:35 AM (Fr) 5:54AM Arr: 19 min late. 
08/17/2015 (Mo) 08/19/2015 5:35 AM (We) 5:35AM Arr: On time. 
08/15/2015 (Sa) 08/17/2015 5:35 AM (Mo) 10:28AM Arr: 4 hr, 53 min late. 
Average AR delay:  14 minutes early
Median AR delay:  1 hour and 2 minutes early
 
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A 4AM arrival in LA is way too early. Even the current 5:35 arrival is too early. Of course The SW Chief gets in at a more humane 8AM, so there can't be too much adjustment. Possibly a later start on Train 3 from LA and a 5AM departure from San Antonio on 1/421.
 
What does the Southwest Chief's arrival time have to do with the SL's? Can the station not handle two long distance trains arriving simultaneously for some reason?
 
Weird that the one Amtrak LD train that routinely arrives OT or ahead of schedule is one that gets to its terminal at an ungodly hour. Some kind of rescheduling is obviously needed.

As far as the SL and SWC arriving at the same time, well, Metrolink and Amtrak's Surflners probably needed as many platforms as possible during the weekday morning rush hour. Having LD trains setting around for long periods of time probably doesn't fit in with the commuter nature of today's Los Angeles Union Station.
 
Weird that the one Amtrak LD train that routinely arrives OT or ahead of schedule is one that gets to its terminal at an ungodly hour. Some kind of rescheduling is obviously needed.
The reschedule already occurred. That's how we got here in the first place. Amtrak's decision to serve a metro of two million people with a once every few days departure shortly before 3:00AM and arrival into a metro of 13 million shortly after 4:00AM did more to reduce my annual train travel than all of their other negative changes combined. From what I understand the millions of sleepless retirees who were supposed to replace working age folks like me never showed up and now the Sunset is operating with fewer passengers overall.

As far as the SL and SWC arriving at the same time, well, Metrolink and Amtrak's Surflners probably needed as many platforms as possible during the weekday morning rush hour. Having LD trains setting around for long periods of time probably doesn't fit in with the commuter nature of today's Los Angeles Union Station.
I always assumed the only reason the Sunset Limited sat on the platform to begin with was because someone at Amtrak must have realized that the horrible schedule was unnecessarily punitive and thought that sleeper passengers might abandon future trips after being kicked out into the night like a hobo.

In reality everyone who rides the Sunset into Los Angeles is being penalized, including coach travelers, but I don't think Amtrak really cares about whatever long distance coach travelers think. Amtrak's bossy and indifferent attitude toward coach passengers is half the reason I travel in sleepers. Amtrak's uncomfortable and needlessly intimate cuddle style coach seats are the other.
 
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Excellent points Chris!

We all know Amtrak "blew it" in the last round of "negotiations" with UP concerning the Sunset/Eagle.

Now that the 5 year moratorium on talks is expired, its time for a Daily Eagle from CHI- LAX with a better schedule, and a Stub/Shuttle Train between SAS and NOL.

Let's hope that Amtrak has a professional negotiating team this time when they go up against UP's ( and others) "Give me all you got!" sharks.
 
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I will be getting into LAX Sept 2016 on the SL. Do we still have to get off the train at 530am or has Amtrak changed to let Sleeping car passangers stay on board a little longer?

Thanks

JATX
 
They need to service and turn the train so it can depart eastbound in 11 hours and 55 minutes.

For comparison, the CZ gets 17 hours to turn in Emeryville.

Plus, as mentioned above, Metrolink and Amtrak Surfliners commuter trains may needed the platform the SWC is next to.
"Having LD trains setting around for long periods of time probably doesn't fit in with the commuter nature of today's Los Angeles Union Station." - MikefromCrete

I wouldn't plan on sleeping in.
 
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Weird that the one Amtrak LD train that routinely arrives OT or ahead of schedule is one that gets to its terminal at an ungodly hour. Some kind of rescheduling is obviously needed.
The reschedule already occurred. That's how we got here in the first place. Amtrak's decision to serve a metro of two million people with a once every few days departure shortly before 3:00AM and arrival into a metro of 13 million shortly after 4:00AM did more to reduce my annual train travel than all of their other negative changes combined. From what I understand the millions of sleepless retirees who were supposed to replace working age folks like me never showed up and now the Sunset is operating with fewer passengers overall.

As far as the SL and SWC arriving at the same time, well, Metrolink and Amtrak's Surflners probably needed as many platforms as possible during the weekday morning rush hour. Having LD trains setting around for long periods of time probably doesn't fit in with the commuter nature of today's Los Angeles Union Station.
I always assumed the only reason the Sunset Limited sat on the platform to begin with was because someone at Amtrak must have realized that the horrible schedule was unnecessarily punitive and thought that sleeper passengers might abandon future trips after being kicked out into the night like a hobo.

In reality everyone who rides the Sunset into Los Angeles is being penalized, including coach travelers, but I don't think Amtrak really cares about whatever long distance coach travelers think. Amtrak's bossy and indifferent attitude toward coach passengers is half the reason I travel in sleepers. Amtrak's uncomfortable and needlessly intimate cuddle style coach seats are the other.
For those who haven't seen my Sunset Limited reschedule proposal: http://discuss.amtraktrains.com/index.php?/topic/64510-news-on-daily-sunset-incl-older-east-of-nol-discussion/?p=648296
 
I will be getting into LAX Sept 2016 on the SL. Do we still have to get off the train at 530am or has Amtrak changed to let Sleeping car passangers stay on board a little longer?
On my July trip, the car attendant predicted an arrival at 0430 and said he would knock on the door if he didn't see activity by 0500. That suggests that at least one attendant lets passengers sleep a bit longer on a really early arrival.

In fact, we lost time (or failed to gain the predicted amount) and arrived just about on schedule. There was enough activity elsewhere in the car that it seemed like everyone was up and deboarding, and I did, too.

Probably you should plan on leaving the train if it arrives on time.
 
You'll get waken up by the racket most likely, unless you have headphones on.
 
Our SCA told us he was waking people up 30-40 minutes prior to arrival unless they told him earlier. We got off about 15 minutes after arrival and there were still a couple rooms packing up, but I doubt they were on much longer. Our SCA was checking rooms, so helped us carry everything to the platform. He never pushed us to hurry, but expect he was expediting the process so he could head home.
 
Awesome thanks everyone. I just booked my ticket today and I am looking forward to my trip.

JATX
 
So I have the reverse question,

I am booked from LAX to NOL on the SL and then from NOL to WAS on the Crescent. SL gets in at 2140 and the crescent departs at 0700 the next day are we allowed to occupy our sleeper overnight or do we have to bail and I am expected to get a room on my dime in NOL even though Amtrak books this as straight through trip not a multi city.
 
So I have the reverse question,

I am booked from LAX to NOL on the SL and then from NOL to WAS on the Crescent. SL gets in at 2140 and the crescent departs at 0700 the next day are we allowed to occupy our sleeper overnight or do we have to bail and I am expected to get a room on my dime in NOL even though Amtrak books this as straight through trip not a multi city.
The sleeper is yours up till the moment the train arrives at the end station, but since that equipment is needed to go out the next day, you will be required to leave it and get a hotel room. Sorry for the bad news...
 
So I have the reverse question,

I am booked from LAX to NOL on the SL and then from NOL to WAS on the Crescent. SL gets in at 2140 and the crescent departs at 0700 the next day are we allowed to occupy our sleeper overnight or do we have to bail and I am expected to get a room on my dime in NOL even though Amtrak books this as straight through trip not a multi city.
The sleeper is yours up till the moment the train arrives at the end station, but since that equipment is needed to go out the next day, you will be required to leave it and get a hotel room. Sorry for the bad news...
Thanks at least I know in advance
 
So I have the reverse question,

I am booked from LAX to NOL on the SL and then from NOL to WAS on the Crescent. SL gets in at 2140 and the crescent departs at 0700 the next day are we allowed to occupy our sleeper overnight or do we have to bail and I am expected to get a room on my dime in NOL even though Amtrak books this as straight through trip not a multi city.
The sleeper is yours up till the moment the train arrives at the end station, but since that equipment is needed to go out the next day, you will be required to leave it and get a hotel room. Sorry for the bad news...
Amtrak (and Southern Railway/Southern Pacific) did operate a thru transcontinental sleeper from New York to Los Angeles which through passengers could occupy during the overnight layover in New Orleans in the 1970s, but it went away when the Sunset Limited transitioned to the new Superliner double-decker equipment in the very early 1980s. Since the Crescent remained single-level, the equipment couldn't interchange. When the Texas Eagle went to Superliner equipment shortly after, the Chicago-San Antonio-Los Angeles through sleepers (which service continues to the present day) were inaugurated.
 
When I was planning a transfer from the Sunset Limited to the Crescent, I heard that sleeping car passengers can spend the night in the Magnolia Room (the New Orleans attempt at a Metropolitan Lounge). Nonetheless, I got a hotel room for the added comfort. I believe the closest hotel is a Hyatt Regency, followed by a Hyatt House, Holiday Inn, and Holiday Inn Express.
 
From all the talk on this site, the Magnolia Room doesn't seem like a comfortable place to stay during the day, much less overnight.
 
Comfort is relative. Compared to a "Club Acela"? Yes, it doesn't measure up. Compared to the hard plastic circa 1972 torture devices in the Main Waiting Room? It's an upgrade.
 
Comfort is relative. Compared to a "Club Acela"? Yes, it doesn't measure up. Compared to the hard plastic circa 1972 torture devices in the Main Waiting Room? It's an upgrade.
Agreed. While I'd prefer a real bed, if I was making the overnight connection from a late Sunset Limited to an early-morning next-day Crescent, I'd seriously consider the Magnolia Room with a nap to follow aboard the Crescent immediately after breakfast.
 
Ticketed Amtrak passengers (but not Greyhound) are allowed to stay inside Union Station when it closes.

There is a Rent-a-Guard, but you are not allowed to come and go, if you leave you're out till it reopens in the morning!

This Station, including the Magnolia Lounge, is not comfortable, I highly suggest that you consider renting a Hotel Room in the area ( use one of the many Travel Sites to pick a close by Reasonable Hotel, I like Kayak )or just hang out in the many places that don't close till the Sun comes up, Harrahs Casino is a good place (play Nickel Slots) if you don't want to drink all nite at a Club. You can run over to Cafe DuMonde for a nice change of pace!
 
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