How do you board?

Amtrak Unlimited Discussion Forum

Help Support Amtrak Unlimited Discussion Forum:

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.
Status
Not open for further replies.

dn4192

Service Attendant
Joined
Feb 28, 2012
Messages
197
I have read a couple of threads here about issues with boarding and such, and I will be taking my first amtrak train next week. I will catch the PENN train in Trenton heading to PGH. It is scheduled at 11:44am. What time should I be at the station? Once there how are passangers allowed to board the train?

Then I will catch the CL in PGH around midnight on to Chicago, again is the boarding different station to station? Lastly I will be taking the Cardinal from chicago to indy, with a depart time of 5:45pm. I plan on going out and seeing some of Chicago on my layover, which is about 8 hours. When should I or when do I need to be back at the chicago union station to catch my train?
 
It's different at each station.

At Trenton, you just head down to the platform (or you can wait inside the station building). Be ready when the train pulls in because station stops on the NEC are brief.

In Pittsburgh, you'll wait inside the station until boarding is called.

In Chicago, you'll wait in the south boarding lounge area and board from there. I'd be back at Union Station no later than 5 pm, and in the boarding lounge area no later than 5:15 pm.
 
At Trenton, if you already have your tickets 15-20 minutes early is fine. If you need to pick up your tickets, allow extra time. But it's not like the airport where you have to show up 1-2 hours early

Also be aware (and not surprised) that the Pennsylvanian operates BACKWARDS from Trenton (actually from New York City) to Philadelphia. Then after Philadelphia it operates forward!
 
Last edited by a moderator:
It's different at each station.
This is one thing that really bothers me about Amtrak. It's oftentimes wildly different from one station to another, usually without any sort of clear signage or directions about what to do.Some stations you can just walk down to the track. Some you have to line up and be escorted. Some you can walk yourself, but must show the right document first to prove that you have a right to be there. I totally understand that the layout of some stations dictates doing things a certain way, and the operational realities of a station like Chicago are of course completely different from an unstaffed station in the middle of nowhere. But, a little more standardization wouldn't hurt, and in the absence of that, would a few clearly worded signs in some key places kill anyone? On top of all that is the sense that the local station staff is just making up their own rules and procedures at any given time. All together, it just makes things really intimidating for a novice rider.

Example: I left out of LA Union Station on Sunday night. I had previously only arrived at that station, never departed, so I didn't know how they handle departures. For the Sunset Limited, there's a booth set up (almost right in the middle of the walkway to the waiting area) saying coach Sunset Limited/Texas Eagle passengers check in here. Well, I didn't know what that meant. I've got an e-ticket, so is this just something leftover for paper ticket holders, or are they actually punching or scanning tickets here? Is this where people are printing tickets or picking them up if they don't already have them? So, I walked up and asked an Amtrak agent standing nearby what the line was for and whether I needed to be in it. She practically barked back that "The line's to get your boarding pass. Are you in coach?" I nod. "Then you better be in this line."

Well, that was certainly less than pleasant. I still wasn't clear what the line was for, but I definitely wasn't going to ask her again. I had no idea what she meant by "boarding pass". I have an e-ticket. They scan it on board. Why do I need a boarding pass? I have little kids, and at this point it's after 9 pm and they should really be sitting down and starting to wind down, but I didn't want to risk going up to the booth without them and being told I couldn't get my "boarding pass" because my whole party wasn't there. I wasn't about to ask the first lady for clarification, so I just made them wait in line with me for twenty minutes, at a great inconvenience to the other passengers in line who had to put up with their fighting and whining and crying after a long day. When I finally got to the booth, I was told they were giving out seat assignments. Oh! That makes much more sense! I've never been on a train starting at it's point of origin. Of course on a full train that originates in this station, it makes perfect sense that you'd want your seating all squared away before departing! So, what the lady at the booth was giving out was seat checks with a seat and car number on them, not anything like a boarding pass since I didn't need to show them to anyone again, just put them above my seat. And no, my whole party didn't need to be there. (Now the lady did make a big deal about how lucky we were that she had set aside a group of 4 together just in case she might need them, and we were so lucky that she still had them so we could sit together. Never mind that Amtrak knows they already sold tickets to a party of four, and e-ticketing lets them know immediately that we're still confirmed on that train and, yes, we had made our connecting train into LAX).

The whole thing seemed like a bit of a circus to me, and I would chalk it up to me just being intolerant of disorganization, except that I lost count of the number of people wandering around and asking other people in line what they were supposed to do. "Is this the line for the train to Tucson?", "Do I need to be in this line if I'm trying to go to Texas?", "What's this line for?", "I already have a ticket, do I need to get in this line?", "Is this the line to board the train? I thought it wasn't here yet", and so on. We tried our best to help people in a nicer fashion than the Amtrak line grouch, but since we didn't really know what we were doing their ourselves, we just encouraged people to get in line and find out.

So, obviously there's a lot of confusion about the process. We all know that there are some people for whom no amount of signs will help, and dumb questions will still happen. However, most people can be self-directing with the right amount of information put in the right place. And, I know the first lady we talked to was grouchy because we were probably the 100th party that asked her the same dumb question, but doesn't that tell you something? If everybody has the same question, doesn't that seem that the answer must not be very clear? And unless that can be fixed, those agents should be less rude and have some compassion for those who are confused by their employer's inability to figure it out.

Anyway, sorry for my rant, but the question just triggered some little PTSD that I must still have from the whole experience.
 
It's different at each station.
This is one thing that really bothers me about Amtrak. It's oftentimes wildly different from one station to another, usually without any sort of clear signage or directions about what to do.Some stations you can just walk down to the track. Some you have to line up and be escorted. Some you can walk yourself, but must show the right document first to prove that you have a right to be there. I totally understand that the layout of some stations dictates doing things a certain way, and the operational realities of a station like Chicago are of course completely different from an unstaffed station in the middle of nowhere. But, a little more standardization wouldn't hurt, and in the absence of that, would a few clearly worded signs in some key places kill anyone? On top of all that is the sense that the local station staff is just making up their own rules and procedures at any given time. All together, it just makes things really intimidating for a novice rider.

Example: I left out of LA Union Station on Sunday night. I had previously only arrived at that station, never departed, so I didn't know how they handle departures. For the Sunset Limited, there's a booth set up (almost right in the middle of the walkway to the waiting area) saying coach Sunset Limited/Texas Eagle passengers check in here. Well, I didn't know what that meant. I've got an e-ticket, so is this just something leftover for paper ticket holders, or are they actually punching or scanning tickets here? Is this where people are printing tickets or picking them up if they don't already have them? So, I walked up and asked an Amtrak agent standing nearby what the line was for and whether I needed to be in it. She practically barked back that "The line's to get your boarding pass. Are you in coach?" I nod. "Then you better be in this line."

Well, that was certainly less than pleasant. I still wasn't clear what the line was for, but I definitely wasn't going to ask her again. I had no idea what she meant by "boarding pass". I have an e-ticket. They scan it on board. Why do I need a boarding pass? I have little kids, and at this point it's after 9 pm and they should really be sitting down and starting to wind down, but I didn't want to risk going up to the booth without them and being told I couldn't get my "boarding pass" because my whole party wasn't there. I wasn't about to ask the first lady for clarification, so I just made them wait in line with me for twenty minutes, at a great inconvenience to the other passengers in line who had to put up with their fighting and whining and crying after a long day. When I finally got to the booth, I was told they were giving out seat assignments. Oh! That makes much more sense! I've never been on a train starting at it's point of origin. Of course on a full train that originates in this station, it makes perfect sense that you'd want your seating all squared away before departing! So, what the lady at the booth was giving out was seat checks with a seat and car number on them, not anything like a boarding pass since I didn't need to show them to anyone again, just put them above my seat. And no, my whole party didn't need to be there. (Now the lady did make a big deal about how lucky we were that she had set aside a group of 4 together just in case she might need them, and we were so lucky that she still had them so we could sit together. Never mind that Amtrak knows they already sold tickets to a party of four, and e-ticketing lets them know immediately that we're still confirmed on that train and, yes, we had made our connecting train into LAX).

The whole thing seemed like a bit of a circus to me, and I would chalk it up to me just being intolerant of disorganization, except that I lost count of the number of people wandering around and asking other people in line what they were supposed to do. "Is this the line for the train to Tucson?", "Do I need to be in this line if I'm trying to go to Texas?", "What's this line for?", "I already have a ticket, do I need to get in this line?", "Is this the line to board the train? I thought it wasn't here yet", and so on. We tried our best to help people in a nicer fashion than the Amtrak line grouch, but since we didn't really know what we were doing their ourselves, we just encouraged people to get in line and find out.

So, obviously there's a lot of confusion about the process. We all know that there are some people for whom no amount of signs will help, and dumb questions will still happen. However, most people can be self-directing with the right amount of information put in the right place. And, I know the first lady we talked to was grouchy because we were probably the 100th party that asked her the same dumb question, but doesn't that tell you something? If everybody has the same question, doesn't that seem that the answer must not be very clear? And unless that can be fixed, those agents should be less rude and have some compassion for those who are confused by their employer's inability to figure it out.

Anyway, sorry for my rant, but the question just triggered some little PTSD that I must still have from the whole experience.
Similarly, on the airlines -- just went thru Charlotte where took ladder to tarmac and walked the whole way to the very end of the E concourse on my scheduled flight. Mostly I'm used to the "jetway" and getting announcements when to board.

Yeah it's different everywhere - sometimes the transport staff politiely tell you where to go - if they get dinged when the (plane, ferry, bus - train is delayed. by boarding problems -- if your ticket is "non-refundable" the transport company doesn't care if you don't board so there is no assistance) Sometimes the ground staff have no clue or are noobs. Try Megabus. Good, but no customer assistance at all. Find your own way or lose your prepaid e-ticket.
 
But, a little more standardization wouldn't hurt, and in the absence of that, would a few clearly worded signs in some key places kill anyone? On top of all that is the sense that the local station staff is just making up their own rules and procedures at any given time. All together, it just makes things really intimidating for a novice rider.
The problem with signs is that in my experience, very recent experience, most people don't bother to read the signs. And by recent, I'm talking about the fact that I just rode the Auto Train this weekend, boarding in Sanford on Saturday and arriving into Lorton on Sunday. I specifically requested the 44 sleeper for half my family, since my brother had chosen to go coach. The 44 car is the sleeper next to the first coach on the AT and upon checkin we requested that he be allowed to sit in the 10 car, that adjacent coach to the last sleeper.

Now we did this so that those of us in the sleepers could walk back to visit with my brother & his family easily.

I tell you all of this because I witnessed first hand at least 15 people walk right past 2 signs pasted right on the doors that quite clearly state that "only sleeping car passengers are allowed past this point." My attendant Dan was forever chasing coach pax out of the sleeper.

Now this is not to suggest that you wouldn't have looked at the signs, I certainly don't mean to imply that. Just that in my opinion far too many people never bother to read signs. Or if they do, then they think that the sign doesn't apply to them.

I do agree however that within the constraints caused by the stations and staffing of stations, boarding procedures do need to be more streamlined and consistent throughout the Amtrak system.
 
But, a little more standardization wouldn't hurt, and in the absence of that, would a few clearly worded signs in some key places kill anyone? On top of all that is the sense that the local station staff is just making up their own rules and procedures at any given time. All together, it just makes things really intimidating for a novice rider.
The problem with signs is that in my experience, very recent experience, most people don't bother to read the signs. And by recent, I'm talking about the fact that I just rode the Auto Train this weekend, boarding in Sanford on Saturday and arriving into Lorton on Sunday. I specifically requested the 44 sleeper for half my family, since my brother had chosen to go coach. The 44 car is the sleeper next to the first coach on the AT and upon checkin we requested that he be allowed to sit in the 10 car, that adjacent coach to the last sleeper.

Now we did this so that those of us in the sleepers could walk back to visit with my brother & his family easily.

I tell you all of this because I witnessed first hand at least 15 people walk right past 2 signs pasted right on the doors that quite clearly state that "only sleeping car passengers are allowed past this point." My attendant Dan was forever chasing coach pax out of the sleeper.

Now this is not to suggest that you wouldn't have looked at the signs, I certainly don't mean to imply that. Just that in my opinion far too many people never bother to read signs. Or if they do, then they think that the sign doesn't apply to them.

I do agree however that within the constraints caused by the stations and staffing of stations, boarding procedures do need to be more streamlined and consistent throughout the Amtrak system.
The signs probably suck though. If these "sleeper only, keep out" signs are like the BC signs then I can see people walking right past them. You need something that grabs people's attention. Most Amtrak signage is subdued and that is probably why people don't pay attention to it. Put a stop sign like on the roads and then below it put the message.
 
IMHO it is hard to miss those "only sleeping car passengers are allowed past this point" signs on the AT. I feel the majority of the intruders are simply ignoring the signs what ever reason it might be.

One interesting incident I observed a couple of years ago was a couple specifically requesting the 10 coach car at checkin. I later saw that same couple crash the sleeping car passenger wine and cheese reception. It was pretty obvious this couple knew a strategic location in the 10 coach car would allow them quick access into the sleeper section. The gall some have!

Edit 8/14 - Changing coach car number
 
Last edited by a moderator:
IMHO it is hard to miss those "only sleeping car passengers are allowed past this point" signs on the AT. I feel the majority of the intruders are simply ignoring the signs what ever reason it might be.
I agree absolutely!

In cave diving, we have the very same problem... only it's not a matter of losing a few $$$ of wine/cheese or trail mix... It's about losing people's lives :excl:

Cave dives should be done only by people with specialized dive training. We actually have the very signs you mention above in the entrances to the caves to try and keep the untrained (or not sufficiently trained) divers out.....

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

GRIMREAPER.jpg
NACD_stop_sign.jpg


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

But do they listen? Of course not! Either they "don't think it will happen to them," or, they "want to go exploring," or they just don't want anyone telling them what to do. And in the process, they put not only themselves and/or their dive partners at risk of death, but they also risk the lives of the "recovery divers" who have to go in and haul their dead bodies out of the cave! :angry: That, and they increase risk for all cave divers as land owners will want to close their sites and deny access to them, etc. etc. On one of my diving forums, we're currently discussing the recent case of an "open water" instructor, taking his own daughter and son into a cave when none of them had any business being there. They kicked up a ton of silt inside reducing visibility to zero! The daughter got lost and couldn't find her way out. Had it not been for the sheer luck of having one of the most well respected cave diving instructors (and rescuers) nearby teaching a class, that young lady would have been dead! Thankfully, he found her in that cave and brought her out, just in the nick of time. But that rarely happens - i.e. a "rescue." It's more often, a "recovery," and almost all could have been prevented if they just got the proper training, and didn't let their egos get in the way! For an OW instructor to do this is unacceptable! They, of all people, should know better.

OK, rant over! :) Point being, if we can't get people to respect their lives (or of others) and follow signs like the above, how are we going to expect them to stay out of the sleeper cars?
 
Last edited by a moderator:
IMHO it is hard to miss those "only sleeping car passengers are allowed past this point" signs on the AT. I feel the majority of the intruders are simply ignoring the signs what ever reason it might be.

One interesting incident I observed a couple of years ago was a couple specifically requesting the 44 car at checkin. I later saw that same couple crash the sleeping car passenger wine and cheese reception. It was pretty obvious this couple knew a strategic location in the 44 coach car would allow them quick access into the sleeper section. The gall some have!
If I may rant a bit: this is a larger societal problem. There are lots of people who feel that "the rules" (which are most often set up to make things go smoothly for everyone concerned) don't apply to them because they are SPECIAL. Like the woman in line ahead of me at the grocery when I had a carton of milk and a bag of spinach...it was the 20 Items Or Fewer lane, and she had about 50 items. She looked at me and said, "Oh, I can read honey, I'm just in a hurry."

Like it was impossible that I might be? And of course, because the checker never enforces the 20 Items Or Fewer, the person feels they can get away with it, and they continue to do it.

While I'm not saying Amtrak should throw people off the train for wandering into the Sleeper car when they're ticketed for Coach....still, there are too dang many people who have that "I'm special" bubble around them where they think they can flout the rules. I've also seen people argue with the dining car attendants over "I don't want to sit with strangers." Sorry, if there are fewer than four in your party chances are that will happen.....
 
One interesting incident I observed a couple of years ago was a couple specifically requesting the 44 car at checkin. I later saw that same couple crash the sleeping car passenger wine and cheese reception. It was pretty obvious this couple knew a strategic location in the 44 coach car would allow them quick access into the sleeper section. The gall some have!
Um, the 44 car is a sleeper. :eek:

You can't request that car if you have a coach ticket.
 
One interesting incident I observed a couple of years ago was a couple specifically requesting the 44 car at checkin. I later saw that same couple crash the sleeping car passenger wine and cheese reception. It was pretty obvious this couple knew a strategic location in the 44 coach car would allow them quick access into the sleeper section. The gall some have!
Um, the 44 car is a sleeper. :eek:

You can't request that car if you have a coach ticket.
You are correct, old eagle eye :eek: The coach crashers were in the 10 coach car adjacent to the 44 sleeper. I will try to correct my post.
 
IMHO it is hard to miss those "only sleeping car passengers are allowed past this point" signs on the AT. I feel the majority of the intruders are simply ignoring the signs what ever reason it might be.

One interesting incident I observed a couple of years ago was a couple specifically requesting the 44 car at checkin. I later saw that same couple crash the sleeping car passenger wine and cheese reception. It was pretty obvious this couple knew a strategic location in the 44 coach car would allow them quick access into the sleeper section. The gall some have!
If I may rant a bit: this is a larger societal problem. There are lots of people who feel that "the rules" (which are most often set up to make things go smoothly for everyone concerned) don't apply to them because they are SPECIAL. Like the woman in line ahead of me at the grocery when I had a carton of milk and a bag of spinach...it was the 20 Items Or Fewer lane, and she had about 50 items. She looked at me and said, "Oh, I can read honey, I'm just in a hurry."

Like it was impossible that I might be? And of course, because the checker never enforces the 20 Items Or Fewer, the person feels they can get away with it, and they continue to do it.

While I'm not saying Amtrak should throw people off the train for wandering into the Sleeper car when they're ticketed for Coach....still, there are too dang many people who have that "I'm special" bubble around them where they think they can flout the rules. I've also seen people argue with the dining car attendants over "I don't want to sit with strangers." Sorry, if there are fewer than four in your party chances are that will happen.....
My mother is one who "rules don't apply to her" When I am with her I have no choice but to follow, it's more of a scene if I don't :rolleyes: :) I'm not sure where that mentality comes from but I will say, she usually gets what she wants, head of line, seat she wants, etc...

Years ago I was a checker at a grocery store. The express line was the pits. People like the lady you mentioned didn't happen very often, was easier to check them through fast rather than moving them to a regular line because yes, they would try to argue some point which took longer than just checking them out in the first place.
 
I am going to a new station, Chicago and I am a little anxious about finding my way around.

I just plan on asking a lot of questions. I did find out quite a bit from here and internet search.
 
When I was younger (like 10 years ago), I enjoyed exploring the train. I would do so with the hope I wouldn't be caught. I wouldn't steal the coffee or juice afforded to sleeper pax - I just wanted to see how the other half lived.

Wow. I just realized how much I was replying to the hijack rather than the OP. :eek:

Anyway.... Most large stations have a kindergarten walk - ie: you stay in a waiting room until your train is called, then you are walked down to the platform. Staffed stations that are smaller (ie: Dallas, Orlando, etc) will call your train and you queue up at the postion on the platform where they announce. What happens next is anyone's guess. Either the conductor on the train will get off, check your ticket and when you board you will be assigned a seat by the coach attendant, OR you will ONLY see the coach attendant who will tell you which car to sit in but not necessarily a seat number. Whether or not the conductor lifts your ticket in advance, you need to stay in your seat until the conductor comes by AGAIN to put a seat check tag with your destination in the rail on your overhead bin. Then you are free to roam about the train (up to the diner car - don't go in a sleeper!)
 
Last edited by a moderator:
I've always been a book worm, I read everything, I can't see a sign and not want to know what it says. But when I complain that people don't read signs or ask stupid questions that are clearly addressed by the sign *right in front of them* my mother points out that plenty of people aren't compulsive readers and likely ignoring them without even realising it (she reminded us that growing up we'd read every word on the cereal boxes at the breakfast table). Maybe the written word turns them off and something else would work for them? I don't know, since it's not something I relate to. But I genuinely believe that many people simply would not see/read those signs.

Years ago I was a checker at a grocery store. The express line was the pits. People like the lady you mentioned didn't happen very often, was easier to check them through fast rather than moving them to a regular line because yes, they would try to argue some point which took longer than just checking them out in the first place.
I used to tell people like that to take it up with the rest of the queue - that I didn't care but I didn't want anyone murdering each other in front of my register :) .

Sorry, I've gone totally off topic.
 
I've always been a book worm, I read everything, I can't see a sign and not want to know what it says. But when I complain that people don't read signs or ask stupid questions that are clearly addressed by the sign *right in front of them* my mother points out that plenty of people aren't compulsive readers and likely ignoring them without even realising it (she reminded us that growing up we'd read every word on the cereal boxes at the breakfast table). Maybe the written word turns them off and something else would work for them? I don't know, since it's not something I relate to. But I genuinely believe that many people simply would not see/read those signs.

Years ago I was a checker at a grocery store. The express line was the pits. People like the lady you mentioned didn't happen very often, was easier to check them through fast rather than moving them to a regular line because yes, they would try to argue some point which took longer than just checking them out in the first place.
I used to tell people like that to take it up with the rest of the queue - that I didn't care but I didn't want anyone murdering each other in front of my register :) .

Sorry, I've gone totally off topic.
I used to be somewhat annoyed when people at the Metrodome-Downtown East station here in MSP would ask me the time. There's a huge neon-light clock on the old city hall, and there's LED displays on the station platforms, and who doesn't have a mobile phone these days.

But I remember before my cataract surgery and for about 50 years before that, that if I lost my glasses (or contacts) I couldn't read any sign at all I was so near-sighted.

Probably (my guess) 15% of people can't even see the signs.

Relying on hearing at, say NYP will drive you nuts.

So - I always try to help anyone who has no clue as to the checkout lane, or the departure track, or whatever.

Sometimes I help someone who could very well have not bothered me. Sometimes I help someone who is visually impaired and in denial. Sometimes I wish they all would stop pestering me. Whatever.

Take care, be good.
 
IMHO it is hard to miss those "only sleeping car passengers are allowed past this point" signs on the AT. I feel the majority of the intruders are simply ignoring the signs what ever reason it might be.
Usually it is a case of the rules only apply to others, or they go about life in a fog.

 

The boarding order at Southwest Air reminds me of this. Every flight has the chowder skulls who march up to board ahead of

others. I love their pout when the gate agent rejects them and they have to go back to where they belong.

 

It also reminds me of the late 90's in Long Beach, WA. Due to the unusual warm ocean water that far north tourists were

flocking to the beach. It was a record year for drownings due to the undertow.

Signs were posted in hotel rooms and at shops and restaurants warning of the danger. Signs were finally posted to warn tourists

at the beach approaches. For empahsis they added the yearly death counts. One couple parked right next to the sign. The guy

promptly got caught in the undertow and drowned!
 
:rolleyes: Aloha

I am sorry but ever since this thread started I have wanted to say this, so here goes.

One Step at a time! :rolleyes: :giggle: :lol:
 
Well I survived boarding in 3 states. The boarding in NJ was by far the fastest and easiest. The boarding in PGH was okay except you had no say where you sat and I was stuck in the upper deck of the superliner which I did not like. In Chicago, whomever thought having the Cardinal leave out at 5:45pm should be shot. Union Station is busy enough, why schedule an train departure at that time? Why not leave ealier or wait till the mad rush of rush hour passes and leave out around 8pm, it was madness down there and not well organized at all, but at least I got to pick my own seat. The one interesting note was a lady getting all upset because there was a seeing eye dog on the train near her...
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top