I believe that the intial plan calls for an electric to drag a diesel down the NEC to the AC line, whereupon they'll flip on the diesel and drag the electric to AC.How is NJT going to run this service into NYC? I dont believe that NJT has any dual-mode diesel engines and i know that there is no catenary line on the Atlantic City route. Is NJT gonna do an engine switch somewhere, or is this really gonna be a through service to Newark or Hoboken with NYC passengers switching anywhere the train stops north of Trenton?
Actually the "upscale" equipment mentioned will be the new Bi-level cars that NJT ordered about two years ago and is just starting to take delivery of. In fact, just last week was the inagural run of the first bi-level trainset. NJT expects to take delivery of about 10 cars per month I believe for the next two years or so and will eventually get some 234 of these new cars, assuming that no other options are excercised.The linked story indicates that the NYP - Atlantic City service will be with "upscale" equipment. Its been a few years since I've stepped foot on a NJT train but upscale is not an adjective I'd used to describe NJT's rolling stock.
I think NJT will be taking the casino's money and going shopping.
Rick
Just to expand on this a bit.I don't believe that the tracks are still in place on the shore line to run the service. Even if they are still in place, then I'm positive that they are not up to passenger level standards. That would require massive amounts of money to upgrade the tracks to a point where travel times became competitive and viable.
So the easy answer is to run limited stop service down the NEC to just before where the Market Frankford subway line crosses the NEC. The train will then reverse direction and run out the Atlantic City line.
Only because the Borgata's customer demographics would prohibit them being seen on a bus.They tout this "new" service as all rail and the trip ends at the casino - but in reality not one casino has a rail terminal. Lets say the train averages 500 passengers per trip - once they arrive at the AC rail terminal they have to transfer to buses or other modes of transportation to reach the casino of their choice. Where as if you take a bus from PABT its door to door service. Both Greyhound and Academy offers very frequent service to all casinos except the Borgata.
It is only about a 3 or 4-block walk from the rail terminal to the Boardwalk, and the tower that was formerly the Claridge Casino and now part of Bally's is well inland from the Boardwalk.They tout this "new" service as all rail and the trip ends at the casino - but in reality not one casino has a rail terminal. Lets say the train averages 500 passengers per trip - once they arrive at the AC rail terminal they have to transfer to buses or other modes of transportation to reach the casino of their choice. Where as if you take a bus from PABT its door to door service. Both Greyhound and Academy offers very frequent service to all casinos except the Borgata.
They're trying this because finally the casinos are willing to help fund the service, and done right it could be a win - win for both NJT and the Casinos.Wonder why they are trying this, and all that. Anyway, I heard NJT leased a few P32ACDMs
ALP-46 not ALP-36They're trying this because finally the casinos are willing to help fund the service, and done right it could be a win - win for both NJT and the Casinos.Wonder why they are trying this, and all that. Anyway, I heard NJT leased a few P32ACDMs
And no, NJT didn't lease any P32-ACDM's. There aren't enough of those to go around now either at Metro North or Amtrak, so no one is leasing any. NJT on the other hand did buy 4 Amtrak P40's for this service.
They'll run the trains with a P40 on one end and most likely an ALP-36 on the other end.
Open up a map and see where the North Jersey Coast Line lands up if you just extend it from Bay Head .... hint ... it is represented by blue color on the map beyond Seaside Park . There used to be a railroad (PRR) running upto Seaside Park and then it turned west and crossed Barnegate Bay on a trestle which AFAICT does not exist any more. Bay Head to Seaside Park much of the ROW is Rt. 35 I believe. This line used to connect to CNJ at Tom's River and and Whiting (on the Blue Comet route to ACY). But at present there isn't even a vague sign of the ROW in many places.just extend the northjersey coastline and have it connect with the future mom line
NJT didn't lease the P40's, they brought them from Amtrak and are currently repainting them in NJT colors. May already be done by now, I'm not sure.From my understanding the NYC to AC trains will run on weekends only. All trains will turn at Shore interlocking 10 minutes north of 30th street station. The only reason NJT is running the P40's is because the new NJT diesels don't fit through the hudson river tunnels but the P40's do. Amtrak Leased 4 P40's for the service. Amtrak no longer uses the P40's but leases them to Metro-North, NJT, and Conndot. Amtrak lists the P40's as "Stored as Dead". It's a shame they don't use them any more seeing that they could get another 10-15 years out of them. They only ran for 10 years for Amtrak. Some P42's are 10 years old and Amtrak still runs them, so what in god's name are they thinking.
The problem with that is what you noted in your post, the P32's are doing switching duty most of the time, while being thrown into revenue service on occasion when a problem crops up. The P40 is not suited for switching ops, and therefore is less valuable to Amtrak under the current circumstances.But Amtrak is still running 10+ P-32BWH locomotives which were built somewhere around 1990 IIRC. These are older than the P40s, and are less suited to passenger service being modified freight locomotives. Yet, while the P40s gather dust in the Bear shops, these older locomotives continue to run, often pulling actual Amtrak trains rather than performing their intended duty as switchers. It seems like it would make much more sense to retire or sell the P-32's to a freight railroad, and bring an equivalent amount of P40s out of storage.
just extend the northjersey coastline and have it connect with the future mom line
NJT didn't lease any diesels from Amtrak, they brought 4 P40's from Amtrak and now own them outright. Those units are going to be used on the gamblers express, once it starts running. NJT will put an ALP-46 on one end of the consist for the run on the corridor and a P40 on the other end for the run out the AC line.just extend the northjersey coastline and have it connect with the future mom line
There is a way for a person to get there without going into philadelphia. It involves the RiverLINE, and you take it from trenton to camden, then change trains at camden. As far as a one seat ride, i am pretty sure NJT uses leased amtrak diesels on the ACL, though i could be totally wrong. I do know that as the new PL42AC loco's are put into service there will be older diesels available for this run, plus you could always have a double head train one diesel one electric if needed.
- Andy
"Turn at shore tower? Make a right? a left??From my understanding the NYC to AC trains will run on weekends only. All trains will turn at Shore interlocking 10 minutes north of 30th street station. The only reason NJT is running the P40's is because the new NJT diesels don't fit through the hudson river tunnels but the P40's do. Amtrak Leased 4 P40's for the service. Amtrak no longer uses the P40's but leases them to Metro-North, NJT, and Conndot. Amtrak lists the P40's as "Stored as Dead". It's a shame they don't use them any more seeing that they could get another 10-15 years out of them. They only ran for 10 years for Amtrak. Some P42's are 10 years old and Amtrak still runs them, so what in god's name are they thinking.
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