The "A" Team

Amtrak Unlimited Discussion Forum

Help Support Amtrak Unlimited Discussion Forum:

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, and others.
Status
Not open for further replies.

JoelG

Train Attendant
Joined
Mar 11, 2010
Messages
42
Location
Fullerton, CA
There seems to be a consensus of opinion that the Coast Starlight On-Board Service crews consistently provide superior guest service compared with other Amtrak LD trains. From AU members’ experience is that really the case? (I know from my own travels on the CS that service has typically been top-notch throughout the train.)

Does Amtrak require OBS employees to have proven records of providing outstanding service as a condition to being assigned to the CS? Or is that kind of cherry-picking not allowed under union rules?

Or is the good service because the CS crews are based in sunny SoCal, where everyone’s happy? :cool:
 
There seems to be a consensus of opinion that the Coast Starlight On-Board Service crews consistently provide superior guest service compared with other Amtrak LD trains. From AU members’ experience is that really the case? (I know from my own travels on the CS that service has typically been top-notch throughout the train.)
Does Amtrak require OBS employees to have proven records of providing outstanding service as a condition to being assigned to the CS? Or is that kind of cherry-picking not allowed under union rules?

Or is the good service because the CS crews are based in sunny SoCal, where everyone’s happy? :cool:

Interesting hypothetical and why is it I suspect union rules may have something to do with this?
 
Last edited by a moderator:
It's just luck of the draw.
I think so, too — certainly in our case, our CS crew (except the charming PPC car attendant) were mediocre at best on our one LAX-SEA trip a year ago. (We're going the same direction in July, so we'll see....)

In our experience, our very best SCAs have been on the SW Chief, twice, and on the Eagle between San Antonio and L.A. (In fact, the dining crew on the latter were absolutely outstanding as well.) Those Eagle folks all got glowing write-ups from us afterward to Amtrak, as well enthusiastic mentions to the Customer Service Rep on board the next train we were on.
 
It's just luck of the draw.
I think so, too — certainly in our case, our CS crew (except the charming PPC car attendant) were mediocre at best on our one LAX-SEA trip a year ago. (We're going the same direction in July, so we'll see....)

In our experience, our very best SCAs have been on the SW Chief, twice, and on the Eagle between San Antonio and L.A. (In fact, the dining crew on the latter were absolutely outstanding as well.) Those Eagle folks all got glowing write-ups from us afterward to Amtrak, as well enthusiastic mentions to the Customer Service Rep on board the next train we were on.
We've been on the CS three times, the EB once and the CZ one. The CS is hands down the best we have seen. The dining crew on the EB was outstanding as well. We were very late (freight derail ahead of us) and they managed a dinner service with what hey had when it was not part of the trip into Chicago.
 
It's just luck of the draw.
I think so, too — certainly in our case, our CS crew (except the charming PPC car attendant) were mediocre at best on our one LAX-SEA trip a year ago. (We're going the same direction in July, so we'll see....)

In our experience, our very best SCAs have been on the SW Chief, twice, and on the Eagle between San Antonio and L.A. (In fact, the dining crew on the latter were absolutely outstanding as well.) Those Eagle folks all got glowing write-ups from us afterward to Amtrak, as well enthusiastic mentions to the Customer Service Rep on board the next train we were on.
We've been on the CS three times, the EB once and the CZ one. The CS is hands down the best we have seen. The dining crew on the EB was outstanding as well. We were very late (freight derail ahead of us) and they managed a dinner service with what hey had when it was not part of the trip into Chicago.
As a relatively frequent rider on the Starlight, and on many other long distance services, I very much think it is luck of the draw. Sometimes it is good, sometimes not so good. The last time I was on the Starlight, northbound LAX-TAC, the PPC attendent basically was MIA most of the time. He showed up for wine tastings, but otherwise was not to be seen, except maybe for a couple of hours in the evening. Other PPC attendents ranged from good to excellent. Same with SCAs. On a recent trip in October from TAC-LAX-NOL-CHI-LAX-TAC, the best crew, in terms of friendliness, service and attention to detail was on the Sunset. They beat the CS crews both directions hands down. But that was that one trip, and I would not generalize that to be interpreted as the "Sunset crews are better than the Starlight crews".

It is very much luck of the draw.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
I cannot speak from actual experience, but I can venture some guesses. first of all, a one night run may be easier on the crew than a two night run. Or maybe not.

Another factor may be the crew is happier being based in Los Angeles, than say a crew based in Chicago, or New York. Another is that the crew manager runs a better operation..... better training, support, morale, etc. And yes, there is the element of luck.

That said, I thought the consensus here was the Auto Train had the best crews, and with a separate seniority from the rest.
 
It's just luck of the draw.
I'm going to toss my hat in the ring, attributing it to luck. The very best service we've ever received was once on the Lake Shore Limited headed east to NYP. The train had to make two stops at the platform. On the first stop my wife saw our luggage being loaded on the Boston end (front) of the train. When we boarded on the New York end (rear) of the train, she asked if our luggage had been put on the wrong baggage car. The guy she asked turned out to be a dining car attendant. From that point on he made regular visits to our room, and went to the New York baggage car, found the luggage missing, then he went to the Boston baggage car to check on it and found it. He then went to the Conductor, then back to our room. The LSL is a long train at that point. He told her that the luggage would be put in the New York baggage car in Albany.

As the trip progressed, we asked that same dining car attendant if there was a smoking stop between Albany and NYP. He mentioned that that was a question to ask XXXX, our car attendant. My wife casually asked if XXXX was still on the train. The dining car attendant said that he thought so, and he'd find him. In five minutes our car attendant, XXXX, showed up at our door and told us that there was no smoking stop 'till NYP.

The service on the Empire Builder, Coast Starlight, and California Zephyr was excellent, but nothing like that one trip on the LSL. :cool: I'm still looking for the penthouse 'cuz I'm sure we'd have been escorted there. :lol:
 
There seems to be a consensus of opinion that the Coast Starlight On-Board Service crews consistently provide superior guest service compared with other Amtrak LD trains. From AU members’ experience is that really the case? (I know from my own travels on the CS that service has typically been top-notch throughout the train.)
Does Amtrak require OBS employees to have proven records of providing outstanding service as a condition to being assigned to the CS? Or is that kind of cherry-picking not allowed under union rules?

Or is the good service because the CS crews are based in sunny SoCal, where everyone’s happy? :cool:
I would rate the CS and EB equally.
 
The CS for several years have a bad reputation for being late and during the Simplified Dining service years the crew morale dropped considerably. It seems to have turned a corner as of late though, especially since the relaunch.
 
The CS for several years have a bad reputation for being late and during the Simplified Dining service years the crew morale dropped considerably. It seems to have turned a corner as of late though, especially since the relaunch.
I can well imagine that any decent to excellent members of the CS crew that had been there during the heyday of the CS would indeed be demoralized. Take the horrible delays that make everyone angry including the crew, not to mention making the crew exhausted since they get little to no rest in Seattle, and couple that with almost constantly missing PPC's and overall downgraded service, and you have the perfect recipe for angry passengers and a demoralized crew.
 
I think it is the luck of the draw too. My trips on the CS have all been top notch. But I have to admit one of the best SCA's I've had was on the TE/SL between LAX and SAS. However, her regular route was the CS! :)

I'm still looking for the penthouse 'cuz I'm sure we'd have been escorted there. :lol:
They only put that car on when they know that I'll be aboard! :lol:
 
There seems to be a consensus of opinion that the Coast Starlight On-Board Service crews consistently provide superior guest service compared with other Amtrak LD trains. From AU members’ experience is that really the case? (I know from my own travels on the CS that service has typically been top-notch throughout the train.)
Does Amtrak require OBS employees to have proven records of providing outstanding service as a condition to being assigned to the CS? Or is that kind of cherry-picking not allowed under union rules?

Or is the good service because the CS crews are based in sunny SoCal, where everyone’s happy? :cool:
I would rate the CS and EB equally.
I rode the CS from LA to Portland and then, after a day layover, the EB from Portand to Chicago a couple of weeks and found that by no means did the EB live up to its first-class pretensions as touted in the on-board magazine, especially in comparison to the CS.

The velcro was missing on the privacy curtains in the deluxe bedroom, the folding table was broken, the main light did not work, and the toilet only flushed periodically. The conductor and SCA basically shrugged their shoulders. Only later did I realize that bedroom A was unsold for the entire trip, and I could have been moved there--except the SCA had decamped there with all his belongings for the entire trip. I am still pissed about that. The SCA was Mr. Invisisible except for twice a day, fixing the bed and putting away the bed. He never said anything to me about a wine tasting, and I learned about it at dinner the second night from seatmates in another sleeper who had attended.

The dining car servers were abrupt and, I'm afraid to say, generally unfriendly. One in particular made a big deal--two separate sittings--when a sleeper passenger inadvertently signed the wrong line on the order form. Several of us in the sleepers prayed the final day of breakfast and lunch to be seated in another server's section.

The food was OK and the scenery is frequently stunning. But in putting out top dough for this trip, I am still steamed over the crappy equipment. How can Amtrak send out a sleeper with basic issues not fixed? Does anyone check the lights, toilet, table, etc. during cleaning and maintenance after each trip?

By comparison, the entire crew on the CS, from the SCA to the conductors to the dining room staff, were professional, friendly and obviously enjoying their jobs. In the Trax Lounge before boarding, the conductor introduced himself and talked about each of the SCAs and the dining car steward. The SCA was attentive to everyone during the trip, and talked about how he double-checks each room to make sure the beds are made properly. It's fortunate for the EB staff that no one introduced them to the sleeping car passengers.

It may be that if I were to ride the EB 10 times, 7 or 8 trips might be really wonderful experiences. But having shelled out once for the trip, I would NEVER risk my money again on the chance that I would still get the 2 or 3 lousy experiences. For those of you who say Amtrak travel is an adventure, I say to you: if you want to gamble on an adventure with your own money, then play the odds and see if you get a great trip (assuming you're all not riding on AGR points earned mainly through non-Amtrak purchases). But for my hard-earned money, I would like to have certainty that I don't end up incredibly irritated at all the little things that Amtrak can't fix or improve, both with equipment and personnel! Based on what I encountered for my money, the CS, not the EB, is the only train that provides the value it says it will provide.
 
On my many trips aboard the Crescent and CONO over the past 20 years, I have seen OBS crews and individuals (all disciplines) that ranged from Zeroes to Tens. Just like everyone else in the professional service industry, i.e. motels, restaurants, theaters, you get all types of personalities and under all conditions in their personal lives. You can't generalize human emotions and actions, but you can help by being pleasant regardless of their attitudes and actions.
 
On my many trips aboard the Crescent and CONO over the past 20 years, I have seen OBS crews and individuals (all disciplines) that ranged from Zeroes to Tens. Just like everyone else in the professional service industry, i.e. motels, restaurants, theaters, you get all types of personalities and under all conditions in their personal lives. You can't generalize human emotions and actions, but you can help by being pleasant regardless of their attitudes and actions.
I remember the crew on CS to be something between incapable and rude.

My attendant needed help to convert seats to beds in another roomette, so I decided to do my bed without an apprentice.

Also the Pacific Parlor attendant seemed to be quite a rude guy. This pacific parlor is useless anyway.

On the other hand, I found the Crew on the Empire Builder to be nice people, but you can find weirdos and nice people on the same train,

as I did on the Texas Eagle, the CONO and a few other.

There is no particular difference between the CS and the other LD trains.
 
When I read the topic I was expecting to find some news about B.A. Baracus on a train out of LAX.. after all; he ain't gettin' on no plane!
 
It's all luck of the draw.

Some of the WORST Amtrak service I've ever exprerienced has in fact been on the Coast Starlight....

There is no "better" route that there is "better service" on. You have equally the same chance of good or bad service on all Amtrak routes.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Its really the luck of the draw as to who you get; and even a great CA (or Con, etc) can have a bad day/trip. I had a very surly CA in coach when I took the EB to Portland (from CHI). He wouldn't let anyone have any pillows/blankets until it was "time" and then collected them all around 1st call for breakfast; which meant us late sleepers were stuck without anything for a while. We had the car right behind the SSL and a number of us moved up there and slept over night; at least once he came thru and told us we weren't allowed out of our car after a certain hour (The Conductor came by later and told us we were OK where we were). Overall just a miserable time. However on the return trip we had a a great CA who actually had 3 cars to handle and on one stop (I was waiting to stretch my legs and get some fresh air) she opened the window before the station; and gave me directions on how to open the door (which I already knew) and left to go open another car's door.

I do have to say from my experience most of the staff working my local route (Wolveriene) are great to have. I can only think of one of the "regulars" that you need to keep a look out for; I've had mixed experiences with her.

peter
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest posts

Back
Top