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  1. Aug 16, 2019 #26

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    I was based in JFK for a couple of years back when Delta was in the old Pan-Am Terminal 3. The big circular rotunda provided shelter to walk to the aircraft, but that quickly became obsolete when jet bridges were invented. Later the terminal expanded and it had an interesting road way up into it. It was finally knocked down a few years ago. JFK always is interesting to me in that each major airline built it's own terminal without much thought in how any of them connect with each other, or lack there of. I got a field tour back in 2003, and you can see even the cargo operations are like this. Obviously, it's still like this, although the operators have come and gone over the decades.

    As far as United, I was surprised to see them leave. It was them and American that competed directly with high yield flights to LAX and SFO. AA offered wide body 767 Flagship service almost every hour. I never took United when they were there, but I understand that they offered similar service. Their new president, Scott Kirby said it was a mistake to pull out of JFK, as there were quite a few high dollar United loyalists out on Long Island.

    To keep the thread on topic, I've yet to visit the TWA Hotel. Hopefully I can get over there in the next few weeks or months. I'm always looking for an excuse to visit NYC.
     
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    Westbound redeyes still exist today, at least in the form of transpacific flights. Personally I think domestic redeyes are undesirable in either direction, there's simply not enough time for a restful journey regardless of cabin, but it seems odd to me that westbound transatlantic redeyes aren't a thing.

    I've only ever tried sleeping in exactly one airport and found it extremely difficult. You don't really notice these things during the day but at night the ridged seats, bright lights, and shouting announcements made any attempt at sleeping virtually impossible.

    I think this is mainly because JFK has historically focused on O&D traffic with little interest in connecting passengers. When I connected through LGA and JFK it felt like I was performing a clumsy workaround for a traffic pattern that was never taken seriously in the original design goals.
     
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    I would definitely have taken the flights...I have done just that many times over the years, utilizing whichever carrier I happened to have a pass on at the time...AA, Amtrak, Greyhound, or Trailways...much preferred sleeping on the move over a terminal. I used this to save on the cost of a hotel, especially when I wanted to be somewhere very early in the morning.
     
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    The JFK Terminal I was in was very quiet. There were no flights being called. I slept on a leather cushion bench seat for 3.
     
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    Yeah you're right about that. If one can avoid it, I always tell people to avoid connecting in NYC, as its much better to connect in DTW, ATL, DFW, IAH, etc. It works for the major overseas cities, but I came back from Shannon a couple weeks ago and had to connect at EWR. Of course the afternoon thunderstorms rolled into the NE and delayed my connection by 3 hours.
     
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    It's a little different now at JFK, JetBlue runs a very large number of flights, predominantly domestic, and Delta has lots of flights feeding its overseas routes lots, where 3 (old Pan Am) was they made it easier to get the RJ's in and out.
     
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    Only been through JFK once (6 months after the name changed from Idlewild end of 1963). I was 11 years old and flying MIA-JFK-LON-FRA by myself on PA 002. Only thing remember is there was an attendant handing out towels in the restroom in Pan Am's lounge. Oh and little bottles of cologne and mouthwash next to the sink. Then stewardesses and purser that gave me more Coca Colas than an 11 year should. Spent the first night in Germany sick as a dog! Still had a great time and memories!
     
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    I might just have to fly to New York to stay in this hotel. Next time I have business up there I’ll do it.
     
  9. Aug 21, 2019 #34

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    I remember flying thru T-5 in June and August 1971 on TWA 904 and 903 to and from Madrid. I scheduled about about a 7 hour layover at JFK, so I walked from T-5 back to explore the IAB and them to Pan Am's Worldport and back to T-5. I had lunch at the Paris Cafe. I still have my ticket and boarding pass. The movie was Support Your Local Gunfighter with James Garner and Suzanne Pleshette on the eastbound leg and returning it was the Summer of 42.
     
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    I'm surprised that Summer of 42 made it as an in-flight movie...

    I had lunch at the Paris Cafe today. Very good burger but the price was a little steep. Still, on a mix of good food and unmatched ambiance? Worth it once in a while.
     
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    Summer of '42 in the Winter of '80...

     
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