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Since none of my posts have ever been edited or deleted because I never post off topic. use in-appropriate words or political flames, this does not compute! ****4 Pinnochios****

I agree with Ryan that usually one can easily figure out for yourself why moderators or administrators do so and also lock topics for cooling off periods or for consultation on some posts!

Not a problem for me even though I sometimes don't see the need for such things when they happen to my brilliant, informative and true posts! LOL

I do wonder why the software automatically censors certain words such as the commonly accepted 4 Letter word for Authoritative and Bossy staff @ Union Station in Chicago that remind one of the thugs and monsters that controlled Germany in the 30s and 40s! (the Other N word!!)
 
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Complaints about irresponsible and biased (even bigoted) moderation have been common at railroad.net, and even more common at trainorders. Alan is actually pretty good.
 
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Everydaymatters said:
John Bobinyec said:
"Rocket Surgery" and its twin, "Brain Science". :p

jb
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:) Small slip, but I loved the content of Ryan's reply.
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Not a slip, just a twisted sense of humor.

I'm also prone to say "Let's put an egg in our shoe and leave", or "Make like a tree and beat it", which also make no sense whatseover. :D

Silver Star rider said:
Not true, Yahoogroups, members can be moderated, meaning before their post goes out to the group, they need to be approved.

Bruce-SSR
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Yes, true. While there can be a delay while the post is reviewed, it cannot be modified. The post is either accepted or rejected.
 
neroden said:
Complaints about irresponsible and biased (even bigoted) moderation have been common at railroad.net, and even more common at trainorders. Alan is actually pretty good.
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Complaints about irresponsible, biased, and even bigoted moderation have been common at every forum that has ever existed (and, along with technical issues, recently led to a split at a forum I visited). That said, the whole invisible moderation and editing without clearly identifying that it has been done and what has been edited do rub me the wrong way. That's quite unusual in my experience.
 
neroden said:
Complaints about irresponsible and biased (even bigoted) moderation have been common at railroad.net, and even more common at trainorders. Alan is actually pretty good.
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I agree! IMHO, there are "favorites" here who can do pretty much anything. but by and large, the mods here do a pretty good job.
 
To be honest I don't know whether any of my posts have been removed or not. I don't pay that much attention. And as for the moderation here, I was once part of a general forum that covered any subject under the sun. Their idea of moderation was to come right out and say that anyone with a right-wing point of view wasn't welcome to respond to any post made and to tell right-leaning members to leave the forum and stick to something they knew something about. This from a site that professed neutrality. I think our moderators do a great job.
 
RyanS said:
Everydaymatters said:
John Bobinyec said:
"Rocket Surgery" and its twin, "Brain Science". :p

jb
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:) Small slip, but I loved the content of Ryan's reply.
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Not a slip, just a twisted sense of humor.

I'm also prone to say "Let's put an egg in our shoe and leave", or "Make like a tree and beat it", which also make no sense whatseover. :D

Silver Star rider said:
Not true, Yahoogroups, members can be moderated, meaning before their post goes out to the group, they need to be approved.

Bruce-SSR
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Yes, true. While there can be a delay while the post is reviewed, it cannot be modified. The post is either accepted or rejected.
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It is possible to edit posts on Yahoogroups. Whether people will take the time or not to do so, is another question. Personally, I don't. If I have a problem with a post, its usually the whole theme of it, not just a misplaced word or two.

Well, it was a feature in the past to edit posts. With the addition of the 'Neo' interface for Yahoogroups, just not sure 100% if still possible.

Bruce
 
Bluntly, I'm here because railroad.net is run by an ideologue with strong political biases in empirical economic matters -- biases in favor of stuff which has simply been proven to be false. Biases in favor of hard money and against Keynesian monetary management, specifically.

He happily approves and even *writes* easily-disprovable ideological nonsense if it conforms with his right-wing preconceptions, but deletes postings debunking the nonsense. (This was not the guy who founded railroad.net; he bought it. The previous operators had more sense.) He then bans people who call him on it. The result has been that it's devolved into threads of uncorrected nonsense written by people who can't be bothered to do their research.

Trainorders does exactly the same thing only *worse*, with an open bias against anything Amtrak does and against passenger rail period. The owner has deleted threads with a dozen people openly attacking the owner's moderation policies, and warning him that members are going to stop paying for access to his website if he keeps it up -- I watched this happen a week or so ago.

Compared to that sort of BS, which is *actively harmful to public dialogue*, I have no complaints about Alan's moderation.
 
Agreed. That's exactly why I found my way here.

Silver Star rider said:
It is possible to edit posts on Yahoogroups. Whether people will take the time or not to do so, is another question. Personally, I don't. If I have a problem with a post, its usually the whole theme of it, not just a misplaced word or two.

Well, it was a feature in the past to edit posts. With the addition of the 'Neo' interface for Yahoogroups, just not sure 100% if still possible.

Bruce
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You can fool with the group archives, which I mentioned, but once your post is distributed by email and hits my email inbox, it's physically impossible for ANYONE to modify its contents.
 
Wendy Merseth said:
My husband and I took his " first" train ride this weekend between Modesto and LA. We had a wonderful time except the Conductor who continued to bully travelers into moving their belongings or body parts off the seat adjacent or risk having to purchase another ticket. There were at least a 100 available seats while she continued her rant. Definitely a feeling of being second class citizens on this trip.
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Just got back on a trip on the San Joaquin. On the trip up to San Francisco, the conductor threatened to throw people off the train for having their stuff on the seat, but on the way back the conductor was more tactful and explained to everyone to be "courteous" and not leave their stuff on the seat next to them. No threats of any kind. Even on the Surfliner, its all up to the conductors. Some have a more "threatening" announcements while others are "nicer."
 
RyanS said:
Agreed. That's exactly why I found my way here.

Silver Star rider said:
It is possible to edit posts on Yahoogroups. Whether people will take the time or not to do so, is another question. Personally, I don't. If I have a problem with a post, its usually the whole theme of it, not just a misplaced word or two.

Well, it was a feature in the past to edit posts. With the addition of the 'Neo' interface for Yahoogroups, just not sure 100% if still possible.

Bruce
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You can fool with the group archives, which I mentioned, but once your post is distributed by email and hits my email inbox, it's physically impossible for ANYONE to modify its contents.
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Yes.... but if you are moderated, you used to be able to modify a post, before it posts. I just don't know if that feature is still available.

Bruce-SSR
 
On the NEC, I have seen the Conductor threaten to charge an extra fare at current bucket if seats are not vacated of the baggage sitting on them. I wonder what would happen if someone called the bluff. No one has so far as far as I can tell.
 
jis said:
On the NEC, I have seen the Conductor threaten to charge an extra fare at current bucket if seats are not vacated of the baggage sitting on them. I wonder what would happen if someone called the bluff. No one has so far as far as I can tell.
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Yeah, but they will probably throw you off the train. It seems to happen quite often.
 
seat38a said:
jis said:
On the NEC, I have seen the Conductor threaten to charge an extra fare at current bucket if seats are not vacated of the baggage sitting on them. I wonder what would happen if someone called the bluff. No one has so far as far as I can tell.
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Yeah, but they will probably throw you off the train. It seems to happen quite often.
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True. I also think that they know and the passengers know that no one really wants to create a scene anyway. Everyone is trying to get their way by getting just under the bar so to speak. And if it does not work c'est la vie. I have never been refused a seat when I firmly asked for it on the NEC. Grumpily for sure, but never refused. On an LD train I don;t know, since I have not traveled an LD train substantially in coach in over 10 years now. Palmetto doesn't count since it is too much like NEC.
 
jis said:
On the NEC, I have seen the Conductor threaten to charge an extra fare at current bucket if seats are not vacated of the baggage sitting on them. I wonder what would happen if someone called the bluff. No one has so far as far as I can tell.
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People who travel with cellos, double basses, and similar instruments buy a seat for the instrument, so I doubt it's a bluff, it's probably actually policy.
 
This forum may have the best moderating practices on the whole internet. (Doubt it) but that doesn't mean that it can't be improved. It's like the people who say "wait, you want to change things in America?!?! This is the best country on earth! If you don't like it, LEAVE!" It may be the best country on earth- I've only lived in two, and on the whole this one is better.

But I dare any of you forum nuts to tell me nothing in America could be better. So too can the moderating protocols on this forum, and that I call the gospel truth.
 
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RyanS said:
Agreed. That's exactly why I found my way here.

Silver Star rider said:
It is possible to edit posts on Yahoogroups. Whether people will take the time or not to do so, is another question. Personally, I don't. If I have a problem with a post, its usually the whole theme of it, not just a misplaced word or two.

Well, it was a feature in the past to edit posts. With the addition of the 'Neo' interface for Yahoogroups, just not sure 100% if still possible.

Bruce
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You can fool with the group archives, which I mentioned, but once your post is distributed by email and hits my email inbox, it's physically impossible for ANYONE to modify its contents.
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Yes.... but if you are moderated, you used to be able to modify a post, before it posts. I just don't know if that feature is still available.

Bruce-SSR
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Just confirmed.... On Yahoogroups, if a poster is moderated, you can edit his post, then approve it, and it goes out to the groups membership. Once the post goes out, you can remove it from the groups archive. Looking at the properties of the email, you can see if you are moderated or not, there is a line that says, email approved by so and so. If you reject the moderated post, you can either reject with a reason back to the poster, or just delete it.

I will admit, I have deleted posts without letting the poster know why I did that. Nine times out of ten, I will get a nasty gram back complaining why I didn't allow the email to post to the group.

Bruce-SSR
 
I find messages about why a post is hidden or deleted or edited when I am the author to be helpful. Presumably it helps me to figure out where the line is on some things. I post often on a forum that is only moderated for spam and porn so basically anything else goes and so I try to rein it in here but sometimes I get carried away and cross the line. I have received PMs in the past and I appreciate that.

At the end of the day I am grateful to Alan and the rest of the staff for the time they spend on this forum. Thanks again to all of you.
 
I've only been warned by the mods, not censored, here, a while ago.

I like this place, only a few techy places I hang out are so carefully and justly moderated.

But it's good to warn the posters who have, or do, or might offend.

Mostly they know who they are, and cool their jets, and keep on contributing.

This good valuable place, recommend to all acquaintance who want to know more about travelling Amtrak.

Thanks everybody contributing, thanks mods.

Do better - ya sure.

Done good -- ya betcha!

Thanks all.
 
To continue the diversion from "Conductor Problems," I do want to make clear that I am in no way criticizing Alan. I'm more concerned with a philosophical statement about the place and execution of editing on boards like this. So far as I can tell, Alan has never modified a single letter of what I have written (probably because it is so bland and uninspiring that it could not possibly offend anyone).

Whatever his political views (which I've never particularly noticed seeping through), I commend Alan for his work as moderator.
 
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