Canadian freight train derails, explodes

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Is it actually sufficient to leave an engine running to replenish the brake line?

Surely a whole multitude of things could happen. Diesel engines stall sometimes for example. It doesn't require anything as violent as a fire.

Wouldnt'it be safer to secure the train with handbrakes and/or blocks?
 
Is it actually sufficient to leave an engine running to replenish the brake line?
No. From what knowledgable employees of other railroads are reporting, the standard procedure for securing a train is to set the air brakes, then manually set the handbrakes on a sufficient number of cars given the grade and the load of the train. Once the handbrakes are set, the air brakes are released, and the locomotive is supposed to actually tug on the train to see if it moves. If it doesn't, great. If it does, set the air brakes again, go back to the cars, set more brakes, and repeat. Additionally, if the train is parked on a siding, either derails have to be placed, or a switch needs to be lined up in whatever way would keep it from rolling on to the main line. In this case, the MM&A train was parked on the main, so that part's irrelevant. (Here's a pretty good explanation: http://www.montrealgazette.com/a9gantic+What+causes+runaway+train/8631894/story.html)

It's still early in the investigation, and I'm really not knowledgable enough to comment with any authority, but I won't let that stop me. The way I see it, the very best case scenario for the railroad is some discovery of some sort of sabotage or criminal activity, like finding that someone deliberately set the original fire on the locomotive. That would at least let their lawyers direct part of the blame toward something else for starting the big chain of events. They'd still get hammered for contributory negligence for everything the engineer did wrong and every policy or training material that pushed the engineer to take shortcuts.

Without some sort of smoking gun evidence of third party involvement like that, they're doomed, and I think they know it, and that's why their CEO walks around spouting such dumb comments like pinning everything on the air brakes and then blaming the firefighters for shutting the locomotive down. It's a Hail Mary play to deflect as much attention as possible for as long as possible in the hopes that something else might magically appear that they can pin at least some of the blame on.
 
Do items such as the data recorder and the nose camera continue to work when the engine is shut down?

If so, then there might be some indication there of tampering, and/or of professional misconduct by the engineer.
 
It is unreal to be in Quebec province today. My train journeys are unaffected, but news of the disaster is everywhere. Today's Montreal Gazette uses most of its front section to describe how the town is coping (not well). There doesn't seem to be much new info on why it happened, but there are diagrams showing what went where.

Here's a link to a bunch of their stories: http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/lac-megantic/index.html
 
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Well as of this evening the engineer is now in police custody...
No, he's not. The statement from the MM&A CEO is that he's "under police control", whatever that means. The article you quoted specifically stated that no arrests have been made. This article makes it clear with additional statements from the CEO that the engineer is not actually in custody. The police are silent on the matter.

The phrase "under police control" is probably an intentionally deceptive phrasing on his part. It's just another one of the shifting array of statements designed to confuse and spread blame while Burkhardt and MM&A hope for a miracle.
 
Well as of this evening the engineer is now in police custody...
No, he's not. The statement from the MM&A CEO is that he's "under police control", whatever that means. The article you quoted specifically stated that no arrests have been made. This article makes it clear with additional statements from the CEO that the engineer is not actually in custody. The police are silent on the matter.

The phrase "under police control" is probably an intentionally deceptive phrasing on his part. It's just another one of the shifting array of statements designed to confuse and spread blame while Burkhardt and MM&A hope for a miracle.
I hope he's being taken proper care of. Being in a situation like his and realizing the damage and deaths he's probably responsible for, there may be an increased danger he may be having suicidal thoughts.
 
Well as of this evening the engineer is now in police custody...
No, he's not. The statement from the MM&A CEO is that he's "under police control", whatever that means. The article you quoted specifically stated that no arrests have been made.
It's possible to be in custody without being under arrest.

It's probably protective custody, since it sounds like the folks from that town are righteously pissed.
 
Here's a story from yesterday that's quite sympathetic to the engineer. http://www.montrealgazette.com/health/a9gantic+Locomotive+engineer+bravery+have+prevented+greater+catastrophe/8637628/story.html

And a story from today that doesn't make MMA's chairman look good.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/M%C3%A9gantic+chairman+faces+townspeople/8643326/story.html

The regulators are admitting failure, too.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/national/wake+Megantic+tragedy+Transport+Canada+admits+didn/8642649/story.html

All in all, there's lots of blame to go around, as made clear from the editorial cartoons.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/opinion/editorial-cartoons/index.html

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Well as of this evening the engineer is now in police custody...
No, he's not. The statement from the MM&A CEO is that he's "under police control", whatever that means. The article you quoted specifically stated that no arrests have been made. This article makes it clear with additional statements from the CEO that the engineer is not actually in custody. The police are silent on the matter.

The phrase "under police control" is probably an intentionally deceptive phrasing on his part. It's just another one of the shifting array of statements designed to confuse and spread blame while Burkhardt and MM&A hope for a miracle.
I hope he's being taken proper care of. Being in a situation like his and realizing the damage and deaths he's probably responsible for, there may be an increased danger he may be having suicidal thoughts.
If he commits suicide then that would make the investigation much harder. For the sake of the victims and prevention of another accident like this, he should not kill himself.
 
I'm curious, where are the locomotives? Presumably they either derailed in front of the tank cars, or somehow managed to stay on the rails and rolled to a stop somewhere S of the wreck? I've not seen any pix.
 
Canada's Transportation Safety Board issues advisories in wake of Quebec derailment

The Transportation Safety Board of Canada (TSB) on Friday announced it issued two "urgent safety advisories" to Transport Canada associated with its ongoing investigation into the Montreal, Maine & Atlantic Railway (MMA) derailment that occurred July 6 in Lac-Mégantic, Quebec.

The first advisory pertains to the securement of equipment and trains left unattended. The TSB investigation determined that the braking force applied to the train that derailed was insufficient to hold it on the 1.2 percent descending slope. Therefore, the TSB has asked Transport Canada to review certain Canadian railroad operating rules and related railway special instructions to ensure that equipment and trains left unattended are properly secured to prevent unintended movements.

The second advisory concerns the securement of trains carrying hazardous materials. Given the importance of safely moving "dangerous goods" and the vulnerability of unattended equipment, the TSB has asked Transport Canada to review all railroad operating procedures to ensure that trains carrying dangerous goods are not left unattended on a main track, according to a press release.
 
Quebec derailment fallout: Efforts to improve rail safety emerge in Canada, U.S.

Transport Canada yesterday announced it issued an emergency directive aimed at improving rail safety in the wake of the Montreal, Maine & Atlantic Railway derailment that occurred July 6 in Lac-Mégantic, Quebec.

Although the accident's cause remains unknown, Transport Canada is trying to build upon the safety advisories it received last week from the Transportation Safety Board of Canada (TSB) and further enhance existing rail safety and security measures, Transport Canada officials said in a prepared statement.

Effective immediately, all Canadian railroads are required to ensure that:
• no locomotive attached to one or more loaded tank cars transporting hazardous materials is operated with fewer than two qualified persons on a main track or siding;
• no locomotive attached to one or more loaded haz-mat tank cars is left unattended on a main track;
• all unattended controlling locomotives on a main track and sidings are protected from unauthorized entry into the cab;
• directional controls are removed from any unattended locomotives, preventing them from moving forward or backward, on a main track or siding;
• individual special instructions on hand brakes are applied to any locomotive attached to one or more cars that are left unattended for more than one hour on a main track or sidings; and
• the automatic brake is set in full-service position and the independent brake is fully applied for any locomotive attached to one or more cars that are left unattended for one hour or less on a main track or sidings.
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The accident has prompted a call for improved rail safety in the United States, too. Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) on Monday announced he sent a letter to the U.S. Department of Transportation urging the agency to require freight railroads to draft a plan to retrofit or phase-out "DOT-111" tank cars, which were involved in the Quebec derailment.

The tank cars "have proven to be flawed, out of date and a factor in hazardous material spills during derailments," said Schumer in a prepared statement. The Quebec derailment in combination with increased crude-oil shipments along New York railways to the Port of Albany creates an urgency for a corresponding increase in freight-rail safety measures in the state, which must be implemented through the Federal Railroad Administration and Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration regulatory processes later this year, he said.

DOT-111 tank cars are not pressurized like DOT-105 or DOT-112 cars that have thicker shells and heads, and are less prone to breaching during a derailment, said Schumer, who also wrote a letter to the Association of American Railroads urging its cooperation in retrofitting or phasing-out DOT-111 cars.
 
Canada to ban one-person train crews
TRANSPORT Canada announced on July 23 that it will ban one-person train crews in response to the derailment and explosion of a freight train at Lac-Mégantic, Quebec on July 6, which killed at least 47 people.

Transport Canada also said trains with dangerous goods would not be allowed to be left unattended on any main line track, and that hand brakes must be applied to trains left for one hour or more.
 
Are one-person train crews allowed in the US?
Yes....at least they were. The Montreal, Maine & Atlantic had one person crews operating in Maine before they were permitted on the portion of the railway in Canada.
Doesn't Amtrak operate with one-person crews all the time? I thought the firemen are gone by now in the US.

That was expected. Too bad it probably means the Atlantic is absolutely dead, and the line may get abandoned.
 
Are one-person train crews allowed in the US?
Yes....at least they were. The Montreal, Maine & Atlantic had one person crews operating in Maine before they were permitted on the portion of the railway in Canada.
Doesn't Amtrak operate with one-person crews all the time? I thought the firemen are gone by now in the US.
No. Amtrak operates with a mix. Yes, there are probably more trains that operate without a fireman thanks to the corridor services. But there are still Amtrak trains that run with both an engineer and a fireman.
 
Amtrak operates trains that run shorter trip of six hours or less with Omer person in the cab.
 
Are one-person train crews allowed in the US?
Yes....at least they were. The Montreal, Maine & Atlantic had one person crews operating in Maine before they were permitted on the portion of the railway in Canada.
Doesn't Amtrak operate with one-person crews all the time? I thought the firemen are gone by now in the US.
No. Amtrak operates with a mix. Yes, there are probably more trains that operate without a fireman thanks to the corridor services. But there are still Amtrak trains that run with both an engineer and a fireman.
But I thought the EB was the only train that still had a fireman. Do other LD trains still have one?
 
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