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So even if it was built between Merced and Fresno, so what?expressed dismay that the initial segment did not link Merced and Fresno, two university towns ... The initial section, however, would not be equipped with maintenance facilities, locomotives, passenger cars or an electrical system necessary to power high-speed trains.
As much I would like hi-speed rail in California, this is really idiotic from a build-public-support point of view: put in the roadbed in the middle of nowhere--and that area really is in the middle of nowhere--where no one can see it, and even if they went to see it, there would be nothing operating.So even if it was built between Merced and Fresno, so what?expressed dismay that the initial segment did not link Merced and Fresno, two university towns ... The initial section, however, would not be equipped with maintenance facilities, locomotives, passenger cars or an electrical system necessary to power high-speed trains.It still wouldn't carry passengers!
Yes it will. This sort of thing comes under the heading of, if you can't do what you want to, you get as close as you can with what you are able to do. If you think you can do better, give the people who made the decision a call and tell them how. Otherwise you are simply Monday morning quarterbacking. I am trying to think of a nice way to say put up or shut up, but can't so: Put up or shut up. The people involved in trying to get this thing going are dedicated and committed for the most part and doing the best that can be done within a lot of constraints that it is not worth while to try to explain to geniuses that see all and know all.So even if it was built between Merced and Fresno, so what?expressed dismay that the initial segment did not link Merced and Fresno, two university towns ... The initial section, however, would not be equipped with maintenance facilities, locomotives, passenger cars or an electrical system necessary to power high-speed trains.It still wouldn't carry passengers!
Well, since they are all idiots and your are the bright one amongst us, have you considered offering your services to actually do something about it?I really do think idiots are too much in charge of America's rail system, both present and future!
And don't forget to bring your checkbook.Well, since they are all idiots and your are the bright one amongst us, have you considered offering your services to actually do something about it?I really do think idiots are too much in charge of America's rail system, both present and future!
Keep going south from Corcoran and you get to Bakersfield in another 62 miles, which can be promptly put under construction when Mister Hopeful writes his check. I would suspect that this would be the next piece to get built, but it is only a guess on my part, and I have absolutely no part in any decision making on the subject.Isn't Bakersfield in the central valley? Why not start from there?
I wouldn't assume that at all. This is high speed rail, it will probably make at most 1 stop between Sacramento and Bakersfield. The San Joaquin's will still cover the inbetween stops. And the Surfliners not only would do the same between San Diego & LA, but they'll keep plying the northern route which won't be along the HSR route.I assume after the Cali High speed rail is complete, Surfliners, San Joaquin will no longer be in service...
Mr. Alan BI wouldn't assume that at all. This is high speed rail, it will probably make at most 1 stop between Sacramento and Bakersfield. The San Joaquin's will still cover the inbetween stops. And the Surfliners not only would do the same between San Diego & LA, but they'll keep plying the northern route which won't be along the HSR route.I assume after the Cali High speed rail is complete, Surfliners, San Joaquin will no longer be in service...
What we'd be far more likely to lose is the Coast Starlight.
I think you kind of set yourself up for some flack by saying that the current CA HSR plans were developed by "idiots", and thus putting the "idiot" tag on anyone who thinks the plans are OK. I've gotten my share of flack here as well, as we all have. It's kind of part of the open forum experience. You can't be too sensitive and post on forums like this.Mr. Alan B
I was actually thinking of joining your group but I see how you allow snide and personal attacks by the likes of George Harris and "jis" so I think I'll find some other site more suitable for discussion. You are very well aware, I'm sure, that there are numerous well-informed opponents and skeptics of the present plans by the California High Speed Rail Authority, and for the likes of Harris and "jis" to pretend that I am simply an outlier is disingenuous; to allow them to demean me is simply cowardly.
I'd wish you good luck with this forum but that would be disingenuous of me. So I'll just say good-bye.
I think that PRR60 covered things pretty well. Had you not opened with such a bold statement, things probably would have been different.I think you kind of set yourself up for some flack by saying that the current CA HSR plans were developed by "idiots", and thus putting the "idiot" tag on anyone who thinks the plans are OK. I've gotten my share of flack here as well, as we all have. It's kind of part of the open forum experience. You can't be too sensitive and post on forums like this.Mr. Alan B
I was actually thinking of joining your group but I see how you allow snide and personal attacks by the likes of George Harris and "jis" so I think I'll find some other site more suitable for discussion. You are very well aware, I'm sure, that there are numerous well-informed opponents and skeptics of the present plans by the California High Speed Rail Authority, and for the likes of Harris and "jis" to pretend that I am simply an outlier is disingenuous; to allow them to demean me is simply cowardly.
I'd wish you good luck with this forum but that would be disingenuous of me. So I'll just say good-bye.
Yes, I will admit that I did take it somewhat personally. The California HSR happens to be where I am currently working. Therefore, I have to be pretty careful about what I say concerning the project in total and such things as this. I will say that in the group I work in there are people dedicated to seeing this project succeed and to be the best that it can be to the point of near fanaticism, and many of these people have very broad experience that is relevant to the work involved in this project.I think that PRR60 covered things pretty well. Had you not opened with such a bold statement, things probably would have been different.I think you kind of set yourself up for some flack by saying that the current CA HSR plans were developed by "idiots", and thus putting the "idiot" tag on anyone who thinks the plans are OK. I've gotten my share of flack here as well, as we all have. It's kind of part of the open forum experience. You can't be too sensitive and post on forums like this.Mr. Alan B
I was actually thinking of joining your group but I see how you allow snide and personal attacks by the likes of George Harris and "jis" so I think I'll find some other site more suitable for discussion. You are very well aware, I'm sure, that there are numerous well-informed opponents and skeptics of the present plans by the California High Speed Rail Authority, and for the likes of Harris and "jis" to pretend that I am simply an outlier is disingenuous; to allow them to demean me is simply cowardly.
I'd wish you good luck with this forum but that would be disingenuous of me. So I'll just say good-bye.
And while you could not have possibly known this as someone just coming to the forum for the first time, Mr. Harris is far more than just a well-informed person. He builds train tracks for a living and has done so in many different countries around the world, including the US. I don't know what his current job is, but it's quite possible that while unintentional you called him and almost certainly people that he knows, idiots.
Also mentioned in the memo were other factors, such as sequencing of the work, testing, andthe Authority was informed by the FRA that all allocated funding, namely the FY10 funding and the remaining unobligated FY09 ARRA funds must be applied to final design and construction of one of two Central Valley sections (Fresno to Bakersfield or Merced to Fresno) of the California High-Speed Train System.
There were several things involved in selecting a section that combined a the south part of Merced to Fresno and the north part of Fresno to Bakersfield, that would be difficult to explain, and I am not sure that I should even if I could get it all said correctly.The "Independent Utility" / "Operational Independence" requirement associated with the ARRA
The LA - San Diego route of the HSR will not be coterminous with the Surfliner. The HSR will go through the Inland Empire and then turn south. So there's plenty of reason for the Surfliner (north and south of LA) to continue to exist.I wouldn't assume that at all. This is high speed rail, it will probably make at most 1 stop between Sacramento and Bakersfield. The San Joaquin's will still cover the inbetween stops. And the Surfliners not only would do the same between San Diego & LA, but they'll keep plying the northern route which won't be along the HSR route.I assume after the Cali High speed rail is complete, Surfliners, San Joaquin will no longer be in service...
What we'd be far more likely to lose is the Coast Starlight.
Not until the HSR runs all the way to Seattle. The daylight section of the Starlight up the coast is a useful addition to its main utility of providing service north of Sacramento. What we may lose, if it is ever actually run, is the possible future operation of a "Coast Daylight", the much ballyhooed possibility of an extension of a San Luis Obispo train to Frisco or Sacramento.What we'd be far more likely to lose is the Coast Starlight.
As Alan mentioned, George Harris is a very competent rail systems engineer, who while I disagree with (sometimes strongly) on political issues, is one of our more knowledgeable and intelligent board members. He is not a Joe Shmo talking out of his arse.Mr. Alan B
I was actually thinking of joining your group but I see how you allow snide and personal attacks by the likes of George Harris and "jis" so I think I'll find some other site more suitable for discussion. You are very well aware, I'm sure, that there are numerous well-informed opponents and skeptics of the present plans by the California High Speed Rail Authority, and for the likes of Harris and "jis" to pretend that I am simply an outlier is disingenuous; to allow them to demean me is simply cowardly.
I'd wish you good luck with this forum but that would be disingenuous of me. So I'll just say good-bye.
Go here and see the map: http://cahighspeedrail.ca.gov/trip_planner.aspxIf it goes through the Inland Empire and turn south does tnhat mean its not gonna stop in LA? Then it automatically becomes useless.
Unfortunately, there is some sort of urban planning concept going on that relocates the final stop of the existing service northward. I know nothing of the details. Would suggest that you do an iternet search and see what you find. It is not exactly at the top of my issues of the moment.San Diego needs to keep using the Santa Fe depot...I hope.
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