RUDE SCA on SWC #4

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ScottC4746

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EDIT: Should be #3 NOT #4

I think I found the rudest SCA EVER! His name is Rene and worked the SWC #3 leaving CHI on Saturday 28 May. I ended up in the trans-dorm so I understand that he now has a car and a half to deal with. We left at 3 PM on time and around 4:00 he stopped by the room closest to his full car and introduced himself and explained about the features of the car and then left. He forgot about the rest of us. At 4:45 I turned on my call light which remained on for 30 solid minutes. I then went back to the diner to find out where the Conductor was. Peggy, the other SCA, God I wish I was in her car. She was every so nice. Anyway, Peggy helped form a search party for Rene and we found him holed up in his room reading a paperback book. Good thing I was not having a medical emergency here. Anyway he came back to the room with me and I had to ask him about the features of the Transdorm. I did not know showers were on the second level or that everything, water, coffee, bath towels, life was one car back. Great. 6 Pm comes and I am exhausted and we see each other in the Trans-Drom hallway and I say in half an hour I will be ready to turn in. 6:45 comes around and no Rene. Turn the light on again for him. 7:30 no Rene. I saw the conductor pass my room and advised him of the length my call light had been on. He found Rene somewhere who came to my room and I point blank said you forgot about me, at 6 I had said I would be ready to turn in at 6:30. He admitted he did forget. The second night about 7:30 I was ready for the room to be converted and the same thing, light on for 45 minutes no Rene. By this time we had arrived and left at a very quick slow to 5 type station na the conductor who escorted some new passangers across the hall from me said he would get the SCA for them. Before he left I explained yet again my call light situation. After Rene came to speak with the new passangers he turned to me before he started to make there beds up and asked if I was ready. I at this point got tired of biting my tounge and and said I have been ready for some time. He snapped back over his shoulder as he makes up the other room, "I will just leave if you want me to." When he finished their room he was then ready to do mine. He slammed the top bunk down, threw the bed set up on the lower bunk...which amazingly looked perfectly made up, and then slammed the upper bunk back up and said there and stormed off after I asked for a 4:30 AM wakeup call for the 5 AM breakfast.

Now, I don't know if he did this or if it was just coinsidence, but all of a sudden the heat came on in the room and the hall way but was cold in the bathroom. A conductor was downstairs and he switched the cold back on.

I laid on top of the covers reading whilist the room cooled off again and then when I went to get under the covers, everthing was all askew. It was not even made properly.

I fortunately sleep with the curtains open because I enjoy seeing the stars at night and can gauge what time of the morning it is because at 4:40 AM I discovered I never got my wakeup call.

I know if I say anything to customer service it wont get very far. Any recommedations to ensure the top brass know about this type treatment?
 
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Nothing new... "This is MY train and YOU are my prisoner until you get off". Believe me, there are a lot more Renes out there...
 
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I am sorry for your poor treatment - that stinks. Personally, I just learned how to make the bed myself so I wouldn't have to wait for an SCA that never comes. Of course this should NOT be the case - the SCA should come when you need then - but sadly it seems like there are definitely some SCAs that like to play the hiding game.
 
The best suggestion I have would be to write a letter. Borrow heavily from your post.

IMHO Customer Service is going to be your best bet, unless you know Mr. Boardman personally, as I think if you send it elsewhere it will just get sent to Cust. Service anyway, or worse, it will get buried in transit to Cust. Service.

Unfortunately service is too uneven across the system to not hit this attitude from time to time. :angry:
 
I agree you must bring this up with Customer Service and perhaps gently "lean on them" for a proper and not canned response. With the economy like it is, I'm certain they have hundreds of apps on file from folks who would make top shelf SCAs.

I tend to be fairly independent when I travel, and if I have an SCA who goes into hiding, can handle the make up of the room and other duties (even cleaning up and organizing a poorly cared for coffee station) quite well by myself. Of course in that case my tipping hand goes into hiding when I leave the train.
 
I agree you must bring this up with Customer Service and perhaps gently "lean on them" for a proper and not canned response. With the economy like it is, I'm certain they have hundreds of apps on file from folks who would make top shelf SCAs.

I tend to be fairly independent when I travel, and if I have an SCA who goes into hiding, can handle the make up of the room and other duties (even cleaning up and organizing a poorly cared for coffee station) quite well by myself. Of course in that case my tipping hand goes into hiding when I leave the train.
Much as my tipping hand whet into hiding this morning when I left the train as well...he is probably still trying to find a tip in my room...good luck...not gonna find one.
 
Aloha

I was on the 3 SWC May 2nd. I had Rene as my SCA. I found him helpful and courteous. My only "complaint" is I let my SCA know that he can reverse the room while I am in the diner. After dinner I stay in the lounge until I am ready to sleep. Rene did not take advantage of that window. About the only time he failed to answer a page/light, was from the guy in 11 or 12 that seemed to decide it was time for something, and repeatedly press the button. One of the times Rene was slow to come to his room we were at a station with several people getting off and on.

I cannot fathom why you had different conduct from him.
 
Much as my tipping hand whet into hiding this morning when I left the train as well...he is probably still trying to find a tip in my room...good luck...not gonna find one.
I'd give him a tip ~> "Find another job!"

 

But seriously, I'd write and complain.

I've had a few experiences in life that drove me to that action (non railroad related) and surprisingly I've had good responses.
 
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I'm wondering if it would be better to call and then follow up with a letter? Anyone had experience that way?
 
I'd email customer service and if the answer sounds canned, then write a letter to Boardman. I got a nice (though possibly canned) message in response to my praise for an outstanding agent an a station employee on my last trip.

Make sure the letter is factual and professional w/o invective or sarcasm.

One trick that always seems to work is to ask another employee for the name of the supervisor of the one you are unhappy with. Explain you want to write to tell the supervisor how much the SCA's service meant to you. Sure, it is misleading but it is not dishonest as you are writing to express your lack of appreciation.
 
I'd email customer service and if the answer sounds canned, then write a letter to Boardman. I got a nice (though possibly canned) message in response to my praise for an outstanding agent an a station employee on my last trip.

Make sure the letter is factual and professional w/o invective or sarcasm.

One trick that always seems to work is to ask another employee for the name of the supervisor of the one you are unhappy with. Explain you want to write to tell the supervisor how much the SCA's service meant to you. Sure, it is misleading but it is not dishonest as you are writing to express your lack of appreciation.
Someone told me with another company that had an issue with they researched the headquarters address and got the name of the CEO and hand addressed the envelope and wrote "Personal" or "Confidential" I don't recall which and it bypassed the secretary for screening and the CEO contacted this person back directly.
 
Someone told me with another company that had an issue with they researched the headquarters address and got the name of the CEO ....
I did that about 15 years ago with a problem I had. I was eating at a fancy chain restaurant (?)

and the waiters kept cutting between tables, bumping my chair, even after I'd complained.

I Googled the company, got the name of the top 3 execs, and emailed each of them.

In return, I got an apology and coupons for 4 free dinners.

A written letter may be even more effective.
 
Someone told me with another company that had an issue with they researched the headquarters address and got the name of the CEO ....
I did that about 15 years ago with a problem I had. I was eating at a fancy chain restaurant (?)

and the waiters kept cutting between tables, bumping my chair, even after I'd complained.

I Googled the company, got the name of the top 3 execs, and emailed each of them.

In return, I got an apology and coupons for 4 free dinners.

A written letter may be even more effective.
Fancy and chain I am having problems seeing in the same sentance HA! Thanks for the info though.
 
I cannot fathom why you had different conduct from him.
I'm glad you provided this info GG-1. I'm pretty sure I would have been more rude then Rene if I was treated poorly by a customer, sounds like he did a pretty good job to me.
 
I cannot fathom why you had different conduct from him.
I'm glad you provided this info GG-1. I'm pretty sure I would have been more rude then Rene if I was treated poorly by a customer, sounds like he did a pretty good job to me.
Sounds like TVRM is saying it is my fault he treated me that way. That was nice to know. I hope I misread the posting.
 
Wow... I was on the #3 just a few days ago (5/26) and in the trans-dorm as well. My SCA, named Len, was the best SCA that I've ever had and this poor guy was even doing double-duty as a server in the dining car. I'm sorry for your experience but I really hope to have Len (or at least someone almost his equal) again when I ride the SWC back home later this year. :)
 
Having sworn that I had read good things about Rene before on this site, I did a simple search of his name and was surprised to find these two posts, both of them from you:

Sunset Chief Crew

and...

Sunset Limited Crew

BlueJeanGirl (an Amtrak Conductor) mentions to you in the second post that she believed Rene was now working the SWC. You wrote that, "I fell in love with the level of service I received from SCA Rene" and 6 months later wrote "Alice in the diner was great as was Rene in the sleeper."

In today's post, you wrote that "I think I found the rudest SCA EVER!," language which implies you had never met Rene before your trip this weekend. So I guess I am confused about your post above. Are you saying that the Rene you had this weekend (the rudest SCA ever) is a different SCA than the Rene you had on your Sunset Limited trip who left such a positive impression on you - so much so that you wrote posts extolling his service levels that were six months apart from one another?

I'm not excusing the rude treatment from him on this weekend's trip, if that's what happened, but I guess I would like to know if there are two SCAs named Rene, one of which made a stellar impression on you in the past. If so, I would like to know more about the other one so I can be prepared if I should get him on one of my LDT trips. Or are you just not remembering that you had Rene in the past and gave him a glowing review upon your return from that trip? It would be helpful to clear this up.
 
Fancy and chain I am having problems seeing in the same sentence HA! Thanks for the info though.
yeah ~ not real fancy. :) I can't recall the name, but it was on the order of Outback Steak House. :giggle:
 
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I cannot fathom why you had different conduct from him.
I'm glad you provided this info GG-1. I'm pretty sure I would have been more rude then Rene if I was treated poorly by a customer, sounds like he did a pretty good job to me.
Stick up for the bad employee why don't cha. How is asking to make a bed or turn the room around being a bad passenger hmmm. Ok lets they were passed over for a promotion or problems at home etc does not give someone the right to take it out on someone who paid big bucks for a room. I don't care how bad a of a day your having. if you feel your being treated poorly from your employer then find another job.
 
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I cannot fathom why you had different conduct from him.
I'm glad you provided this info GG-1. I'm pretty sure I would have been more rude then Rene if I was treated poorly by a customer, sounds like he did a pretty good job to me.
Stick up for the bad employee why don't cha. How is asking to make a bed or turn the room around being a bad passenger hmmm. Ok lets they were passed over for a promotion or problems at home etc does not give someone the right to take it out on someone who paid big bucks for a room. I don't care how bad a of a day your having. if you feel your being treated poorly from your employer then find another job.
Aloha

In no way am I supporting a bad employee. As a Labor Representative, the worse thing I have to deal with is an Employer that is upset with a worker, when the worker is wrong. My observation was actually that the SCA, Rene, handled an unreasonable passenger well.

I am restating,

I am surprised that you experienced a problem, and from my own observation, Rene is a good SCA. I do not understand why he was not good on your trip.

Hopefully I am now Clear.
 
I have a somewhat ignorant question. Is the call button in the transdorm programed to light up in the attendant's room in the car he is working? Is it possible that the SCA wasn't aware that the OP had used the call button?

I've never traveled in a transdorm - the first time I'd ever been in one was at NTD this year.
 
I too am sorry that you had a bad experience, but I must put in a good word for Rene. If we are talking about the same man, he is Filipino, in his 50's I'd say. Last year I had him one night Flagstaff to Los Angeles and I did not care for his manner that much, but he was OK. In February of this year he was my SCA Flagstaff to Chicago and I complimented him on his exemplary service and keeping the car tidy and looking after the passengers all the way to Chicago. We were ten hours late, having been rerouted via St. Louis due to the blizzard that hit Chicago. He made the train that night a good place to be. I tipped him well and complimented him to Amtrak. I dislike bad service too, but maybe he is having a crisis in his life.
 
I have a somewhat ignorant question. Is the call button in the transdorm programed to light up in the attendant's room in the car he is working? Is it possible that the SCA wasn't aware that the OP had used the call button?

I've never traveled in a transdorm - the first time I'd ever been in one was at NTD this year.
I haven't traveled in one either, but I'd be very surprised if there was a connection between cars that allowed the call light to work between cars.

Of course, that would have been a real good thing for Rene to mention in his initial introduction.

Sounds like you caught a good guy on a bad day.
 
Having sworn that I had read good things about Rene before on this site, I did a simple search of his name and was surprised to find these two posts, both of them from you:

Sunset Chief Crew

and...

Sunset Limited Crew

BlueJeanGirl (an Amtrak Conductor) mentions to you in the second post that she believed Rene was now working the SWC. You wrote that, "I fell in love with the level of service I received from SCA Rene" and 6 months later wrote "Alice in the diner was great as was Rene in the sleeper."

In today's post, you wrote that "I think I found the rudest SCA EVER!," language which implies you had never met Rene before your trip this weekend. So I guess I am confused about your post above. Are you saying that the Rene you had this weekend (the rudest SCA ever) is a different SCA than the Rene you had on your Sunset Limited trip who left such a positive impression on you - so much so that you wrote posts extolling his service levels that were six months apart from one another?

I'm not excusing the rude treatment from him on this weekend's trip, if that's what happened, but I guess I would like to know if there are two SCAs named Rene, one of which made a stellar impression on you in the past. If so, I would like to know more about the other one so I can be prepared if I should get him on one of my LDT trips. Or are you just not remembering that you had Rene in the past and gave him a glowing review upon your return from that trip? It would be helpful to clear this up.
This is a different Rene than on the SS LTD.
 
Having sworn that I had read good things about Rene before on this site, I did a simple search of his name and was surprised to find these two posts, both of them from you:

Sunset Chief Crew

and...

Sunset Limited Crew

BlueJeanGirl (an Amtrak Conductor) mentions to you in the second post that she believed Rene was now working the SWC. You wrote that, "I fell in love with the level of service I received from SCA Rene" and 6 months later wrote "Alice in the diner was great as was Rene in the sleeper."

In today's post, you wrote that "I think I found the rudest SCA EVER!," language which implies you had never met Rene before your trip this weekend. So I guess I am confused about your post above. Are you saying that the Rene you had this weekend (the rudest SCA ever) is a different SCA than the Rene you had on your Sunset Limited trip who left such a positive impression on you - so much so that you wrote posts extolling his service levels that were six months apart from one another?

I'm not excusing the rude treatment from him on this weekend's trip, if that's what happened, but I guess I would like to know if there are two SCAs named Rene, one of which made a stellar impression on you in the past. If so, I would like to know more about the other one so I can be prepared if I should get him on one of my LDT trips. Or are you just not remembering that you had Rene in the past and gave him a glowing review upon your return from that trip? It would be helpful to clear this up.
This is a different Rene than on the SS LTD.
Can you provide a description of each Rene so I can differentiate the two on a future trip should I discover my SCA is named Rene? I have seen photos of the Rene greatcats referenced above, taken along the SWC route, but haven't seen or read about the other one. Thanks.
 
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