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earlier today in kansas a train broke down , my father happened to be sleeping on a train that pulled up behind it, they had to stop , almost everybody leaves incuding the conductors my dad mildly sleeping at this point notices its getting colder and colder and decides to wake up ,hes 60 years old and has had surgery removing tumors from his brain in the early 90s , the train looks vacant and he started to think terrorist (really), so he decided if somthing was goin on he wanted to help (i guess he thought they would be with a gun at the front of the train) he went thru a closet found a ice scraper that was club like and headed to the front , he didnt find any terrorist , the conductors and the passengers had left to eat somewhere . a little while after he sat back down the passengers came back on the train . my dad ,finnaly sitting back down at this point had no idea that swat was on its way and that many passengers were scared (one almost had a heart attack ) they got there and removed him from the train , now hes stuck in kansas ,we need him here in michigan, another train tomorrow. just thought i would share it with everyone
 
Could you cite a train number and location?

There are several elements of this take make absolutely no sense.

I have a news feed that basically consolidates any news story that contains the word 'Amtrak' published anywhere in the country (via Google News) and I'm sure a SWAT team boarding an Amtrak train would have made the news.

Also, I can't imagine the passengers and the crew leaving the train to get something to eat and then coming back! That pretty much impossible. If that was true, the crew would basically all be out of jobs.

Sounds like a very bogus story, if you ask me.
 
Well the only possible train is the SWC, the MRR goes to Kansas City but doesn't run through KS state.

And, if it was going through Kansas today, it can only be 4(7)

Now something here does make sense... she was on time during her entire run and she left TOP over four hours late. So it did stop en route to Topeka. There's any number of reasons for this and it is certainly not out of ordinary.

The ice scraper could probably be found in the emergency locker with other supplies. And IIRC there are other tools for the crew's use throughout the train that could, hypothetically, be used as weapons (or brandished as such.) It is not entirely impossible that several officers would respond to the scene where a Conductor described a passenger who was brandishing what appeared to be a weapon. I doubt highly that a SWAT team would be called, but who knows.

What REALLY doesn't make a lick of sense is the idea that the entire train was abandoned. The only reason they would do this is an evacuation, and its hard to believe that they would forget somebody during an evacuation, though I suppose it is plausible. However if the train was simply delayed because a freight ahead of them got stuck then there'd be no way the train would be evacuated for that reason alone. I mean, policy is to keep people on the train, and Conductors have kept people on stuck trains for a lot longer than 4 hours. (Trains which also would have less in the way of supplies). Such a simple delay would have the Conductors sit there and wait for dispatch to either re-route them or standby for an order to proceed.

On top of that if there was police intervention that would add to the delay. So if it left TOP 4 hours late, then that needs factored in which means there was only a slight delay of the SWC, then the you know what hit the fan and this got piled up on top of this. Not to mention I'd probably have read about an evacuation somewhere... so really, this story makes sense in parts, however those parts are silly. Sounds like a man behaved badly and got thrown off a train.

If anybody has any more details I'd be interested to see the outcome.

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Some other things to think about.

If 4(7) was the right train then a delay going into TOP would happen right at the start of breakfast. Scheduled arrival time into TOP is 05:20, which if there was delay means they were getting up and going to the diner to get breakfast. Perhaps there was a light load and everybody was eating or asleep? I've walked the sleeper half of a consist at meal times and it can seem abandoned, doors closed and locked, nobody walking through the halls... can't hear anything. Of course he'd be stopped by the time he reached the Transdorm by some figure of authority, perhaps the Conductor.
 
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Well the only possible train is the SWC, the MRR goes to Kansas City but doesn't run through KS state.
And, if it was going through Kansas today, it can only be 4(7)

Now something here does make sense... she was on time during her entire run and she left TOP over four hours late. So it did stop en route to Topeka. There's any number of reasons for this and it is certainly not out of ordinary.

The ice scraper could probably be found in the emergency locker with other supplies. And IIRC there are other tools for the crew's use throughout the train that could, hypothetically, be used as weapons (or brandished as such.) It is not entirely impossible that several officers would respond to the scene where a Conductor described a passenger who was brandishing what appeared to be a weapon. I doubt highly that a SWAT team would be called, but who knows.

What REALLY doesn't make a lick of sense is the idea that the entire train was abandoned. The only reason they would do this is an evacuation, and its hard to believe that they would forget somebody during an evacuation, though I suppose it is plausible. However if the train was simply delayed because a freight ahead of them got stuck then there'd be no way the train would be evacuated for that reason alone. I mean, policy is to keep people on the train, and Conductors have kept people on stuck trains for a lot longer than 4 hours. (Trains which also would have less in the way of supplies). Such a simple delay would have the Conductors sit there and wait for dispatch to either re-route them or standby for an order to proceed.

On top of that if there was police intervention that would add to the delay. So if it left TOP 4 hours late, then that needs factored in which means there was only a slight delay of the SWC, then the you know what hit the fan and this got piled up on top of this. Not to mention I'd probably have read about an evacuation somewhere... so really, this story makes sense in parts, however those parts are silly. Sounds like a man behaved badly and got thrown off a train.

If anybody has any more details I'd be interested to see the outcome.

EDIT:

Some other things to think about.

If 4(7) was the right train then a delay going into TOP would happen right at the start of breakfast. Scheduled arrival time into TOP is 05:20, which if there was delay means they were getting up and going to the diner to get breakfast. Perhaps there was a light load and everybody was eating or asleep? I've walked the sleeper half of a consist at meal times and it can seem abandoned, doors closed and locked, nobody walking through the halls... can't hear anything. Of course he'd be stopped by the time he reached the Transdorm by some figure of authority, perhaps the Conductor.
ok i got more info from my dad he said there were still people on the train about 200 and im not sure what train it was i figured it was amtrak , he said it was indeed swat though , also said another passenger walked to the front of the train and back and had seen no conductors or staff anywhere , he said the ice scraper was attached to the other side of a broom (broom stick with brushes on one side and ice scraper on the other. he also forgot his eyeglasses his train would have got here at 10 20 tonight .
 
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ok i got more info from my dad he said there were still people on the train about 200 and im not sure what train it was i figured it was amtrak , he said it was indeed swat though , also said another passenger walked to the front of the train and back and had seen no conductors or staff anywhere , he said the ice scraper was attached to the other side of a broom (broom stick with brushes on one side and ice scraper on the other. he also forgot his eyeglasses his train would have got here at 10 20 tonight .
So... there were 200 people on the train and he took it upon himself to investigate? That nobody of the 200 had seen a member of crew?

I have no idea why he wouldn't see anybody from the crew. On that train there should be:

2 Engineers (up front)

2 Conductors

2 LSAs

2 SAs

and 2 or 3 TAS.

So ten people just... vanished... during a four-hour delay outside of TOP?

And on top of that, he's surprised that when he arms himself on a passenger train of 200 people that he got arrested? Are you kidding me? If I got up with a baseball bat I'd expect a dozen passengers to tackle me to the floor then the police to arrest me... There's a four-hour delay on an Amtrak train in the middle of a snowstorm, where does one make the leap of logic to terrorism? Come on...

I'm starting to suspect that your father may be the reason that train is delayed. If she's delayed outside of TOP at 6AM not many of the OBS are going to be around, perhaps one or two might be waking up. The Engineers would be up front, one Conductor would be in the transdorm talking to dispatch and the other one is probly in the lounge in case a problem arises... such as a man brandishing an ice scraper/broom stick at 6AM and waking everybody up thinking Al Queda has taken the train.

Consider yourself lucky they aren't prosecuting.

P.S. The ice scraper attached to the broomstick sounds like a jimmy-rigged way that the crew could remove ice from the windshield or top level of windows.
 
I dont know your father's situation but he could have dementia or alzheimers and have become confused when the train was stopped! Most of this story makes no sense to most of us that have ridden trains alot, Im glad that he is OK and hope he gets to where he needs to be but seriously doubt if he was thrown off a train and/or arrested that it will be on a train! Perhaps the dog or maybe even a plane, I'm not sure if people who are removed from trains are placed on the watch/do not fly list but it sounds like he probably needs a traveling companion, this is very strange IMHO! :blink:
 
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Im glad that he is OK and hope he gets to where he needs to be but seriously doubt if he was thrown off a train and/or arrested that it will be on a train!
I seriously hope he was arrested. A confused man with a blunt object is dangerous and unpredictable. Not SWAT-worthy but certainly if he was uncooperative he needs to be removed from the train, put somewhere where he can cool off and talk to family/friends and find alternate transportation. Sorry that place turned out to be jail, but I see nothing wrong in the actions taken.
 
i can't find nothing on this. searched for man escorted off train man kicked off train in Kansas nothing. only story that comes up is about a diabetic man who was kicked off a amtrak train and went missing for 4 days and found alive. that one is back in 07.
 
This whole story sounds like fiction, B.S. or the tale of somone mentally disturbed. An incident like this would have surely hit the news somewhere, especially in Kansas where it reportedly took place. If they were evacuating the train, they would have knocked on every roomette and bedroom door emptied the coaches and made an announcement to insure that the train was empty. Then the storygoes on to say that everybody left the train and went out to eat. The story is almost comical.
 
The only thing that sounds real is the broom that has an ice scraper on the top!

That is what is called a switch broom, used by the train crew to clean out switches so the points mate, ice and snow sometimes accumulate in the switch and is mechanism and the broom has a steel scraper (about 2 inches wide) at the top to break the ice.

Been there Done that and got the frostbite to prove it!
 
No, the passengers and crew didn't leave the train. They were just hanging out in the roomette of the guy that brought his microwave, Weber grill, and 52-inch flat-screen on board. They were having a party watching the big game!
 
"Amtrak Elder got Thrown From Train" He's just 60 years old - not even old enough to get a Senior Discount from Amtrak.

Gee that young squirt is giving us old f@rts a bad name! ;)
 
No, the passengers and crew didn't leave the train. They were just hanging out in the roomette of the guy that brought his microwave, Weber grill, and 52-inch flat-screen on board. They were having a party watching the big game!
I don't think a 52-inch flat screen can fit in a roomette. That guy probably had a bedroom.
 
When I saw the title, I was wondering if Amtrak now had a board of elders as is the norm in Presbyterian churches.
 
ok why was my post deleted all i said was
still if SWAT did board the train i think it would be all over the news.
I don't know what you thought you posted, but no posts have been deleted today from this topic. I've checked the logs which would show any deletion and I've looked in the board's trashcan where any deleted posts land. There is no trace of any post being deleted by you.
 
... , the conductors and the passengers had left to eat somewhere .
I don't think that happens at a train stop anymore for like 100 years. Basically since the invention of the dining car.
I think this is rapidly becoming a joke.....but....just for the heck of it...to give a serious answer to what you probably intended as an off hand remark.

Yes, before Amtrak in 1971 some trains did have meal stops. This might typically be a very short train with only two or three passenger cars total. Perhaps sometimes on a branch line,not going very far but still traveling during the course of a meal.

It could also be on a train heavy with mailcars and just one or two coaches, not nearly enough to justify any kind of on board diner or lounge service. Sometimes people ate in the station other times there was a system of the conductor taking orders and wiring ahead and having the meals brought aboard. Depending on what train it was.

Several times I rode a day local,a very short train, from Chattanooga to Memphis. And the conductor wired ahead and got us what kind of meal we ordered. I do not think we have much or any choice.I do not remember at which cities the meals were put aboard but I think it was a different city in each direction. After all, some people brought their own as they can and do today.
 
Well let us realize that the original poster does not seem overly familiar with Amtrak (my apologies if you are I do not mean that as an insult), and that he is getting all of his information from his dad who may not be 100% there.

Perhaps he got out of his room, saw empty roomettes ("no one on the train") then looked out the door and saw conductor(s) on the ground near the loco and stepped off at that point by-passing the diner/coaches. When explaining to the conductor that he didn't see crew or passengers he replied:

"Well they are probably all eating in the diner and will be back after they finish there meal" (or something along those lines : ) )

A "diner" to most of us is the same as a "dining car" to an average person on the street, it's a place with a grill serving greasy hamburgers and breakfasts.

Just a thought... naturally i have no idea what really happened but do kinda thing its funny that he grabbed an ice scraper.
 
Has anybody checked the calendar? I wonder what day this is. Could it be April 1st?
April 1 is out. :D I did check the phases of the moon, and there was a full moon on Dec 31, 2009, and the next one is due Jan 30, 2010. That sort of lets out full moon influence. There's a new moon on the 15th of January, and today is the 9th, but the full influence of the new moon usually only involved the two or three days on either side of the new moon. That kind of negates that theory.

Nope... I'd opt for the aspiring fiction writer theory. Either that, or someone who really really does NOT check his facts before he spins a yarn.
 
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