National Opt Out of the Airport Scanners Day

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George Harris said:
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The current TSA pat down is quite consistent, in fact identical with, what law enforcement has been allowed by the courts when a person is detained. The court has allowed that on the basis of officer and civilian safety, even if they are not being arrested (which is different from being detained). If the court is asked this question, then I don't really see that they will see a difference between TSA and street cop procedures as both are related to the safety of people. We shall see.
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I see no reason for either to be applied at an airport. Generally to "detain" someone at least requires some grounds. There is none here.
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The point of both is the search for weapons and the safety of all personnel, hence the similarity of technique.
 
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I opted out of the airport totally!
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Does that count?
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Nobody at home even tried to pat me down!
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Yep, based on the news reports, the packed train stations, ghost town airports and tsa's own reaction, I'd call NOOD a complete and total success. What's particularly interesting is that the tsa actually shut down many of the insta-porns such that there was nothing to opt out of. I'm wondering if they went right back to status quo after NOOD, then these one-flight-a-year people leaving will see what's really going on, on their return trip and the opt-outers who were unable to opt-out going, will be able to opt-out coming back. Won't have the same big effect yesterday would have, but it's a start.
 
PRR 60 said:
I'll rank Opt-Out Day with the bird flu and Y2K as a media-created non-event.
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I agree. There were no big delays at O'Hare or Midway airports in Chicago due to people wanting pat-downs instead of going through the machines. Really, is somebody actually going to delay their own trip in order to make some kind of point? Besides, the whole thing was organized on the internet, which consists mainly of people sitting in their mother's basements and never leaving the house. (just a joke, folks).

Has any potential terrorist ever been caught by the security screeners?
 
PRR 60 said:
I'll rank Opt-Out Day with the bird flu and Y2K as a media-created non-event.
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I agree. And TSA might have played a role in making it so too, by simply not putting as many ATI machines on line that day 9at least in Newark T3 they did not use any AFAICT), and also restricting patdowns to the less invasive kind. Which of course goes to show that the whole thing is a bit of a sham. But the bottom line is there was no real disruption of any sort, and things moved quite smoothly.

The business about more people taking to the roads probably has as much to do with significantly average air fares this years as anything else.

MikefromCrete said:
Has any potential terrorist ever been caught by the security screeners?
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Apparently there is not documented case that the TSA is willing to tell anyone about. So most likely there isn't any. Of course they have a good track record at catching prosthetic boobs and hips and knees, and creating a mess checking out other benign things. However, they seem to have difficulty finding knives in bags, which surprised travelers find later, having forgotten to remove them in the first place.
 
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Apparently there is not documented case that the TSA is willing to tell anyone about. So most likely there isn't any. Of course they have a good track record at catching prosthetic boobs and hips and knees, and creating a mess checking out other benign things. However, they seem to have difficulty finding knives in bags, which surprised travelers find later, having forgotten to remove them in the first place.
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We'd have to ask WikiLeaks about that one--

I remember Tom Ridge (after his tenure at DHS) being asked by Anderson Cooper about the success of the TSA and DHS in general. He responded "You never hear about the victories because we keep them secret so that our enemies can't learn how to improve their message."

Wouldn't a plane not being blown up be evidence enough that they screwed up? I'd challenge the TSA to produce ONE, just ONE person who attempted to smuggle an explosive device onto a plane. Y'know, besides the lighters and matches and cameras and cell phones that we could all use to rig an explosive, the fireworks we can hide in our nether regions or the bombs that can be surgically implanted.
 
 

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