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While the 2008 law expired, IIRC PRIIA 209 was specifically designed not to sunset.

As to the Cardinal PIP, that's more or less what I remembered reading; thanks for the post. I do wonder why "do both" wouldn't have been a viable option to consider, but I can understand being conservative with changes. There was also a serious look at an FEC section for one of the Silvers, and that was only set aside because of a liability law mess that FL is/was trying to sort out.
 
I'm looking for more of the "targeted" speed improvements

you mention. Cincinatti-Indianapolis-Chicago for sure.

Cleveland-Toledo-Chicago. And NYC-Albany-Syracuse-

Rochester-Buffalo. Taking a couple hours out of each

of those corridors would transform the Cardinal, the

Capitol Limited, the Lake Shore Limited, the Maple Leaf

and the Empire Service. Then do the Potomac Bridge

and D.C.-Richmond-Raleigh-Charlotte to improve the

Palmetto and the Silvers, especially the Silver Star thru

Raleigh, help the Carolinian, and give a little help to the

Crescent.
The Chicago hub corridors such as Chicago-Indianapolis-Cincinnati

and Chicago-Cleveland would see significant speed increases under

the Midwest Regional Rail Initiative proposals.

(Michigan DOT webpage with MWRRI documents).

If the MWRRI plan were to be fully built out and implemented, it would

be a major boost for all the Chicago LD trains. . . .

Have to take a long term view with the MWRRI plans.

Fascinating detail in that report. Very dated, 2004 figures in 2002 $s,

stuff like that. Interesting to see where the Stimulus funds moved

the St Louis corridor forward by 4 or 5 years all at once, and Michigan,

too. But, oh baby, on St Louis they are spending twice as much as

the report expected to cover only 2/3rds of the project. Michigan

may turn out better, but we're nowhere near doing anything about

South of the Lake.

On MWRRI alone, looks like the route Cincinnati-Indianapolis-Chicago

(Hey, our friend the Cardinal flies thru here) was gonna be the sweetest.

Relatively low total cost of infrastructure, heavy ridership, good returns.

Wonder why low total cost of infrastructure? I thought they would have

to lay new rail on old more-or-less abandoned right of way between

Cincy and Indy. And then get into ChicagoLand by a faster route. Well,

gonna be long time to find out about this one. Big opportunity wasted.

The St Louis route didn't even rank so high in predicted payoff. But it

was most ready to go, best supported by state leaders. So a billion and

it still will take more than 4 hours and carry only a few more trains than

it does now.

Of course, as you say, all of these corridors would boost the LD trains

that share tracks with corridors as they get closer to the city. The poor

Quad Cities train is here clearly identified as the first step to Omaha:

Chicago-Quad Cities-Iowa City, then -Des Moines, then -Omaha. And

it was gonna go to -Denver once a day, daylight service thru Nebraska,

they just didn't put that in this report. Think how that could change

the California Zephyr's costs, ridership, ratio of sleeper passengers

to coach, room availability, etc.

Actually, the report never makes much mention of the possible effect

on LD services. I guess back in 2004, LD service was the-less-said-

the-better with Amtrak floundering and the haters out in force.

But now, just imagine taking 2 hours out of Cleveland-Chicago, that's

2 hours out of the Lake Shore Limited and 2 hours out of the Capitol

Limited and a faster Broadway Limited when that comes back. Leaving

or arriving 2 hours earlier or 2 hours later, in Chicago, D.C., or NYC

makes a huge difference. Not to mention how it changes things in

Toledo, Cleveland, and Pittsburgh. And those station costs would

get sliced 7 or 9 ways and almost disappear from the LD budgets.

I guess passenger rail is still scooting along with 0.5% of the nation's

passengers. With another $15 billion invested on corridors and LD trains

piggy-backing on the corridor trains, that figure could double in

a very few years.
 
The proposal for the SL was a little different as some cars would only run between New Orleans and San Antonio. But several of the cars from NOL would be connected to the TE and then run through to LA.
That is not what I recall from the Daily Eagle proposal; NO cars were to run through from the NOL-SAS Sunset stub train. The entire Eagle would run through, but anyone coming from the east of SAS on the current Sunset route would have to change trains. That was the only way that they could make the car allocations work.
 
My read of the rules is that there were four categories of service:

-The NEC

-The "National Network", which was defined as trains over 750 miles serving endpoints served at enactment*

-<750 mile trains

-Federal HSR corridors

Amtrak is only allowed to run the first two without state support.

*This means that the train connects two (or more) of the following cities:

-Boston

-New York

-Washington

-Lorton

-Savannah

-Sanford

-Miami

-Chicago

-New Orleans

-San Antonio

-Seattle

-Portland

-Emeryville

-Los Angeles

Presumably, limited variations would be permitted (i.e. Emeryville vs. Oakland, BOS vs BON), and sections going elsewhere might or might not be allowable (the Cardinal PIP seemed to imply that St. Louis would be allowable, while hypothetical discussions on a Newport News leg of the Cardinal seem to go negative on the grounds that VA would wind up on the hook for a large portion of the Cardinal). Completely unclear is whether a "subset" train would be allowable (i.e. CHI-DEN), particularly if being run strictly as a capacity supplement.
I see both New Orleans and San Antonio on your list of endpoints.

So maybe that's why Amtrak's PRIAA study thought it could do

a shuttle between them.

I just hated the whole plan.

No 3-day-a-week service anywhere at all, and certainly not to

serve Houston, the nation's fourth largest city.

Well, if you're gonna do a shuttle San Antonio-Houston-Lafayette-

New Orleans, well, why not go on to Biloxi-Mobile? Those are

two population centers close to New Orleans, all with tourist

attractions (casinos, cruise docks, etc.). I can understand that

the route gets t h i n n e r than t h i n in the Florida Panhandle,

but Mobile-Biloxi-New Orleans looks like Fat City.

And as I recall, when the Sunset Limited ran coast to coast, L.A.

to Florida, it had a terrible OTP. The popular explanation for the

terrible on time performance was that it was such a long route.

So any little problem in Arizona cascaded down the tracks to

be a huge problem by the time the train got to Mobile, nevermind

by the time it got to Orlando. But when I eyeball the map, the

combined Texas Eagle/Sunset looks like a very damn long route.

Any little problem in Arizona would cascade down the tracks

to be a huge problem by the time it got to St Louis, nevermind

by the time it got to Chicago.

That and chunking the name Sunset Limited in the trash. I think

I'd rather they just shut down the route than trash the name.
 
There are a couple of issues with extending the Sunset to the east. The biggest one is probably the game of "Not It" that's been played with funding some of the fixes/station replacements on thar route. A second one is the simple fact that shelling out $50m for a service that doesn't even run daily isn't exactly the most impressive use of money. Of course, a daily train from MIA, TPA, or ORL to NOL or SAS wouldn't be a bad thing (and in fact, an ORL-SAS train with through cars might actually make more sense than a few of the proposals out there)...but there were all sorts of ridership issues with it. But basically...if it's not a daily train, IMHO it's not worth it.
 
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