Just received my January 2010 TRAINS today. Pretty good article on Penn Station. Many of you will probably like it.
Says a train arrives there every 67 seconds. Eight page article.
Says a train arrives there every 67 seconds. Eight page article.
Well it's not like you have a choice in NY but I guess you can always get off in Jersey like during the Republican Convention in MSG in 2004 when they wouldnt let the trains into NYP! It is a good article, of course Im the one that always quotes Betty Davis: "What a dump!" :lol:Aloha
That's a lot of trains and Passengers for a station that many don't like.
More opinion being passed off as fact then?Both Old and New Penn are anything but "crap".
AlohaMore opinion being passed off as fact then?Both Old and New Penn are anything but "crap".
Been there twice, stinking cesspit. IMHO.
The majority of that would be the LIRR.Did that train count include the subways, or just Amtrak/NJT ?
I assume it included subways.
The subways don't arrive at Penn Station. They arrive at their own stations, that in turn are connected to Penn Station via passageways. So no, that train count does not include the subways.The majority of that would be the LIRR.Did that train count include the subways, or just Amtrak/NJT ?
I assume it included subways.
They wouldn't count the subways in that at all.
Yes it did. One of the biggest names involved in saving GCT was Jackie O. Many people credit her with actually saving the station, since she helped to lead the charge to get GCT declared a land mark and her name and status helped to push that status through.Another thought here as well. Old Penn Station and its destruction did have a positive effect in that it essentially angered the preservationists enough for them to mobilize and save Grand Central Terminal. Thus old Penn didn't die in vain.
Not a lot, short of knock it down and start again. It is what it is.AlohaMore opinion being passed off as fact then?Both Old and New Penn are anything but "crap".
Been there twice, stinking cesspit. IMHO.
Neil, what would you do to improve it remembering close to 60 trains per hour per the trains article.
Eric
Jackie not only helped save GCT but that actually jump started a move all across the nation, as indicated,to salvage all sorts of historic buildings,bridges, etc not just railroad stations. For which we can all be thankful.Yes it did. One of the biggest names involved in saving GCT was Jackie O. Many people credit her with actually saving the station, since she helped to lead the charge to get GCT declared a land mark and her name and status helped to push that status through.Another thought here as well. Old Penn Station and its destruction did have a positive effect in that it essentially angered the preservationists enough for them to mobilize and save Grand Central Terminal. Thus old Penn didn't die in vain.
I traveled into and out of NYP twice during the Republican Convention.Well it's not like you have a choice in NY but I guess you can always get off in Jersey like during the Republican Convention in MSG in 2004 when they wouldnt let the trains into NYP! It is a good article, of course Im the one that always quotes Betty Davis: "What a dump!" :lol:Aloha
That's a lot of trains and Passengers for a station that many don't like.
Wouldn't it make sense to actually bother to read the article before making assumptions on what it says?Did that train count include the subways, or just Amtrak/NJT ?
I assume it included subways.
Yes, but it has way more than 6 tracks feeding it. Doing 1800 trains with the kind of unconstrained flow that is available at Berlin Hbf is not a challenge at all. The challenge in NYP is that it is rife with conflict points and clearly has insufficient capacity in the 6 tracks that connect into it. That is what makes the traffic that is carried through NYP an amazing feat.Not a lot, short of knock it down and start again. It is what it is.Somewhere like Berlin Hbf manages 1800 trains a day and still manages to look fetching.
I don't get Trains, nor know how to obtain a copyWouldn't it make sense to actually bother to read the article before making assumptions on what it says?Did that train count include the subways, or just Amtrak/NJT ?
I assume it included subways.
It does not include subway counts. it does count all X trains though, and documents everything in great detail. Do read it. It is very informative, even for those railfans who think they know it all
Additionally you get a completely authentic track diagram spanning all the way from Secaucus Junction to Harold as displayed in PSCC in the lead page picture of PSCC.
Go to http://www.trainsmag.com and subscribe to it.I don't get Trains, nor know how to obtain a copy
AlohaI don't get Trains, nor know how to obtain a copyWouldn't it make sense to actually bother to read the article before making assumptions on what it says?Did that train count include the subways, or just Amtrak/NJT ?
I assume it included subways.
It does not include subway counts. it does count all X trains though, and documents everything in great detail. Do read it. It is very informative, even for those railfans who think they know it all
Additionally you get a completely authentic track diagram spanning all the way from Secaucus Junction to Harold as displayed in PSCC in the lead page picture of PSCC.
See this link for subscription info.AlohaI don't get Trains, nor know how to obtain a copyWouldn't it make sense to actually bother to read the article before making assumptions on what it says?Did that train count include the subways, or just Amtrak/NJT ?
I assume it included subways.
It does not include subway counts. it does count all X trains though, and documents everything in great detail. Do read it. It is very informative, even for those railfans who think they know it all
Additionally you get a completely authentic track diagram spanning all the way from Secaucus Junction to Harold as displayed in PSCC in the lead page picture of PSCC.
If you have a Barns and Nobel, they carry Trains, but the Honolulu store usually only bring in 5 copies.
I will buy you one in my local branch of WH Smiths, in Richmond, West London,England, UK,Europe and mail it to you!I don't get Trains, nor know how to obtain a copy
Oh yeah, all very fair points, but places like Berlin just prove that very busy stations don't have to be the unsavoury dump that Penn is. Just a pity that Grand Central is not the main station in New York, and Penn was the commuter bahnhof....Yes, but it has way more than 6 tracks feeding it. Doing 1800 trains with the kind of unconstrained flow that is available at Berlin Hbf is not a challenge at all. The challenge in NYP is that it is rife with conflict points and clearly has insufficient capacity in the 6 tracks that connect into it. That is what makes the traffic that is carried through NYP an amazing feat.Not a lot, short of knock it down and start again. It is what it is.Somewhere like Berlin Hbf manages 1800 trains a day and still manages to look fetching.
Finding the kind of real estate space that Berlin Hbf occupies in Manhattan could be a rather challenging venture, legally, financially and socially.
As much as I thank you for the offer, I wouldn't trouble somebody for the postage from the East Coast, much less from across the pond.I will buy you one in my local branch of WH Smiths, in Richmond, West London,England, UK,Europe and mail it to you!I don't get Trains, nor know how to obtain a copy
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