Initial Sleeper Pricing

[niemi24s]

While Amtrak has not yet released its September 2017 MPR (with total FY 2017 figures), NARP data for the AT shows a 13% decrease in ridership from FY 2014 to FY 2016.

A fudge factor obtained from FY 2016 data applied to the available first 11 months of FY 2017 indicates ridership on the AT may be down by 3.7% from FY 2016 to "FY 2017".

 

[bratkinson]

While Amtrak has not yet released its September 2017 MPR (with total FY 2017 figures), NARP data for the AT shows a 13% decrease in ridership from FY 2014 to FY 2016.

A fudge factor obtained from FY 2016 data applied to the available first 11 months of FY 2017 indicates ridership on the AT may be down by 3.7% from FY 2016 to "FY 2017".

Perhaps the drop is partially attributable to the unusual number of hurricanes and other severe storms along the Atlantic coastline in the past 3 years that caused service cancellations.

 

[AmtrakBlue]

While Amtrak has not yet released its September 2017 MPR (with total FY 2017 figures), NARP data for the AT shows a 13% decrease in ridership from FY 2014 to FY 2016.

A fudge factor obtained from FY 2016 data applied to the available first 11 months of FY 2017 indicates ridership on the AT may be down by 3.7% from FY 2016 to "FY 2017".

Perhaps the drop is partially attributable to the unusual number of hurricanes and other severe storms along the Atlantic coastline in the past 3 years that caused service cancellations.

Aw, don't put logic into this. ;p

 

[niemi24s]

Here's another dose of facts (not logic) - statistics gleaned gleaned from NARP and Amtrak Florida service ridership data covering the period October 2009 through August 2017:

• Since their peaks in FY12, ridership on the Silver Services has declined 6%

• Since its peak in FY14, ridership on the Auto Train has decreased by 14%

So by the vagaries of AU logic, one might conclude that hurricanes reduced AT ridership 2.3X more than Silver Service ridership?

 

[jis]

Here's another dose of facts (not logic) - statistics gleaned gleaned from NARP and Amtrak Florida service ridership data covering the period October 2009 through August 2017:

• Since their peaks in FY12, ridership on the Silver Services has declined 6%

• Since its peak in FY14, ridership on the Auto Train has decreased by 14%

So by the vagaries of AU logic, one might conclude that hurricanes reduced AT ridership 2.3X more than Silver Service ridership?

When the Auto Train gets canceled due to a weather event along the east coast, it is always its entire run. When Silver Service gets disrupted due to weather events, it is often for just a part of the run. I have no clue whether that would explain the difference between the AT and the Silver Service. But just pointing out that it is an Apples to Oranges comparison between the Auto Train and the Silver Service.

 

[Thirdrail7]

Here's another dose of facts (not logic) - statistics gleaned gleaned from NARP and Amtrak Florida service ridership data covering the period October 2009 through August 2017:

• Since their peaks in FY12, ridership on the Silver Services has declined 6%

• Since its peak in FY14, ridership on the Auto Train has decreased by 14%

So by the vagaries of AU logic, one might conclude that hurricanes reduced AT ridership 2.3X more than Silver Service ridership?

When the Auto Train gets canceled due to a weather event along the east coast, it is always its entire run. When Silver Service gets disrupted due to weather events, it is often for just a part of the run. I have no clue whether that would explain the difference between the AT and the Silver Service. But just pointing out that it is an Apples to Oranges comparison between the Auto Train and the Silver Service.

Absolutely. The Slivers can detour, truncate and bus bridge. The Auto Train can not. Additionally, the Auto Pain only has two sets. If you cancel one, you may end up canceling a balancing trip. You can wipe out two trains in one swoop if the other train made it out of its terminal.

 

[niemi24s]

Looks like I blew this one right by everybody. When saying...

So by the vagaries of AU logic, one might conclude that hurricanes reduced AT ridership 2.3X more than Silver Service ridership?

...with "vagaries" and "

" it was intended as a bit of whimsy.

 

[niemi24s]

To avoid any apples (or tangerines) to oranges comparison, ridership data for the AT was adjusted to compensate for the number of times it didn't reach its end points during FY14 (17 times in 730 attempts) and the first 11 months of FY17 (25 times in 668 attempts) using data from https://juckins.net/ Following this, AT ridership was found to be down 12.4% between those two periods (instead of the 14% previously posted, which was rounded up from 13.7%). Most of that drop occurred from FY14 to FY15 with a decrease of 11.5%

A similar method was tried on the SS and SM but the results were deemed meaningless, mainly for the reason pointed out by jis in Post #30.

Cancellations due to storms and other reasons appear to be responsible for an AT ridership drop of only about 1.3 percentage points. Nevertheless, AT ridership still appears to be down a not insignificant amount of 12.4% since FY14.

 

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