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Not TSA. Border Patrol. TSA agents are not armed.I have seen them board the train many times in Buffalo. Guns at their side. They question folks on where they born and where they are going. Did not see them last trip. Saw them last May on the EB west of Chicago, but cannot remember the station. They spent quite a lot of time with an elderly oriental traveling with family, who did not have his cards with him. Daughter translated that he does not realize he needs them. Frustrated TSA's just told the daughter to make sure he has them in the future. They were all very polite and then got off the train.
Well, today for the SWC, they had 2 lines, people with suitcases and no bags were free to go, but people with backpacks were forced to a search of all there belongings. They had 2 machines set up on the table but I am not sure what they were for.I don't like this. I'm going to PVD from CHI in about a month and a half and I refuse to have anything to do with those blue-shirted...things.
I can hope that getting my ticket and making a beeline for the Metro Lounge, then hanging out in there until boarding, will be enough to keep me away from them, but if I wanted to be treated with suspicion by a pig-thug I'd have taken an airplane instead.
I have AmtrakOfficial as a news channel on Flipboard (tablet news software) and they released a new video about RAIL-SAFE. I really hope this isn't a sign of more TSA nonsense in train stations. Maybe it was just a 4th of July thing, but I worry anyway.
I feel much LESS safe whenever TSA is around.
Any other details? Did they open up bags and rifle through possessions? Take anything out of bags? Ask any questions?Well, today for the SWC, they had 2 lines, people with suitcases and no bags were free to go, but people with backpacks were forced to a search of all there belongings. They had 2 machines set up on the table but I am not sure what they were for.I don't like this. I'm going to PVD from CHI in about a month and a half and I refuse to have anything to do with those blue-shirted...things.
I can hope that getting my ticket and making a beeline for the Metro Lounge, then hanging out in there until boarding, will be enough to keep me away from them, but if I wanted to be treated with suspicion by a pig-thug I'd have taken an airplane instead.
I have AmtrakOfficial as a news channel on Flipboard (tablet news software) and they released a new video about RAIL-SAFE. I really hope this isn't a sign of more TSA nonsense in train stations. Maybe it was just a 4th of July thing, but I worry anyway.
I feel much LESS safe whenever TSA is around.
Re: RAIL-SAFE and TSA interaction when traveling by rail
To Whom it May Concern,
I am a hitherto-satisfied Amtrak customer writing out of concern over a news video and picture I’ve seen recently and what they may mean for my future of travel with Amtrak.
I saw, via Amtrak’s YouTube channel, a video promoting the Amtrak Police Department’s RAIL-SAFE initiative. The video featured images of US Transportation Security Administration (TSA) personnel interacting with rail passengers and included a statement from DHS secretary Janet Napolitano. The video is here: (video link)
Additionally, a Twitter user recently posted a picture of a uniformed TSA clerk at Chicago Union Station (my home train station), accompanied by what appeared to be an APD officer. As of this writing, the image can be found here: https://twitter.com/actingdork/status/352830848262885376/photo/1
My concern is for my rights, my privacy, and my freedom to be left alone when traveling. I travelled with Amtrak for the first time last spring when I went from CHI to PHL and back, and I instantly fell in love with America’s Railroad. The comfort, amenities, and pleasantness of Amtrak staff are second to none in the travel world. Most of all, however, I loved the fact that I could go from my own front door all the way to my destination and back without a single security check of any kind. This, to me, is positive and highly desirable, and is a crucial point in my continuing to patronize Amtrak as my preferred method of travel. I know that APD is active behind the scenes and I have never needed checkpoints to know I’m in good hands.
I will be going from CHI to PVD and back this August, opting for upgrades on each leg of travel. Roomettes to and from CHI and WAS, Business Class on the Northeast Regional from WAS to PVD, and First Class on the Acela Express on the way back from PVD to WAS. This has cost me over $1000 in rail fare for this trip alone. Please understand that I have family who work for Southwest Airlines – this is a trip I could have made free of charge, but I feel it is well worth $1000 primarily for the purpose of avoiding TSA interaction at the airport. These recent developments are deeply disturbing to me and are causing me no small degree of apprehension about a vacation that, until last night, I regarded with a sense of eagerness and relaxation due to the understanding that I would not need to navigate security checkpoints.
Amtrak Police Department, in discussing and describing the RAIL-SAFE initiative, talks at great length about safety. However, I cannot feel safe until certain other concerns are addressed. My privacy, my rights, and my freedom to be let alone are of paramount importance. I concern myself with my physical safety only once those things are guaranteed.
Please understand also that I am in no way criticizing Amtrak, its staff, or the sworn officers of APD. The best air and cruise lines in the world combined don’t come close to the customer service I’ve seen from Amtrak. More to the point, the few interactions I’ve had with Amtrak Police have seen them conducting themselves professionally and courteously. Websites and news reports abound, however, with accounts of a very different tone with regard to TSA and it is no tall order to find these reports. I feel profoundly unsafe in the presence of any TSA personnel due to their observed conduct in airports.
To reiterate, I take Amtrak to avoid TSA. Since my trip to PHL last spring, I’ve gone all-in for rail travel. I’ve joined AGR, acquired an AGR MasterCard, retooled my travel scheduling, destination selections, and luggage to best fit train travel, and have generally made an annoyance of myself to my family and friends with how enthusiastically I extol the virtues of traveling with no security theatre by taking Amtrak. I would consider it extremely unfortunate to have to transition away from rail due to increased TSA involvement when traveling on Amtrak trains, but am willing to switch to driving if I must.
As a freedom-loving individual, a sufferer of severe anxiety, and an avid railfan who considers Amtrak to be the pinnacle of travel in the US, I’m politely asking Amtrak and/or the Amtrak Police Department to help allay my concerns that I will be stopped, searched, questioned or otherwise harassed at any point along my trip next month.
Please feel free to contact me anytime via the information at the top of this letter. Thank you for your time and consideration.
Sincerely Yours,
(CelticWhisper)
Duh. It's still early for me. Thanks AB.T&R is, I believe, Trails & Rails. He does narratives on the train.No clue regarding TUG, but suspect it's anti-TSA.
Thanks, CW - I'm going to check it out.TUG = Travel Underground. Sorry, I get so used to using the abbreviations at that site I don't notice when I'm using them in unfamiliar company.
Put it in an envelope and mail it to them?That's where I'm at. We took a road trip to Houston this January since I'd never been on one and we figured it'd be an adventure, and it was. Again, no security anywhere, and a LACK of security is GOOD.
I'm still trying to find a mailing address to send this letter to in hopes that someone at Amtrak will care and give me a meaningful response. Anyone know the best way to get a long document like this to them? I'm assuming it's well beyond any character limits that would be imposed on web comment forms.
Yeah, why are people surprised to be searched and surveilled while in the process celebrating their independence?Yesterday was a National Holiday. Why are people surprised to see increased security?
Right, that's my plan, just trying to track down a mailing address. They don't make it easy to find on their website.Put it in an envelope and mail it to them?That's where I'm at. We took a road trip to Houston this January since I'd never been on one and we figured it'd be an adventure, and it was. Again, no security anywhere, and a LACK of security is GOOD.
I'm still trying to find a mailing address to send this letter to in hopes that someone at Amtrak will care and give me a meaningful response. Anyone know the best way to get a long document like this to them? I'm assuming it's well beyond any character limits that would be imposed on web comment forms.
No kidding!Yeah, why are people surprised to be searched and surveilled while in the process celebrating their independence?Yesterday was a National Holiday. Why are people surprised to see increased security?
Irony much?
It's not that I'm surprised, per se. I wish I were, but I'm not. Dismayed, however, is something I would certainly say about my feelings regarding this.Yesterday was a National Holiday. Why are people surprised to see increased security?
Not that driving gets you as much freedom as it once did. Ever hear of "No Refusal Weekend"? I like to call it "What Fifth Amendment? weekend".Yeah, why are people surprised to be searched and surveilled while in the process celebrating their independence?Yesterday was a National Holiday. Why are people surprised to see increased security?
Irony much?
Sheeple, yes; real people, ones that remember this country for what it was once: don't think soNo kidding!Yeah, why are people surprised to be searched and surveilled while in the process celebrating their independence?Yesterday was a National Holiday. Why are people surprised to see increased security?
Irony much?
Next thing you know, the sheeple will be thanking the TSA for their service.
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