Let's bear in mind, also, that $169 r/t translates into just under $85 each way (and that this rate scales to two people with LARail; it's actually slightly less per person for four). This includes a night in the sleeper. For LAX-SAN right now, a one-way on the Surfliner is $37 in coach or $56 in Business Class (or $74/$112 round-trip). The question is what LVRE could afford to offer their trip at, price-wise, and if (should they do this with an increased regularity) they might benefit from both more space and the ability to pick and choose departure times with some flexibility. If they're really acquiring 12-24 cars, they could probably arrange two round trips per day (morning each way, evening each way) without too much trouble. At the very least, this would probably work on weekends; weekdays would depend on what the market looks like. They might also be able to add one or two intermediate stops as well (Anaheim, anyone?).