Viewliner II Part 3: Bag/Dorm Car Production, Delivery, Speculation

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    In the early days of Stereo there was some very good LP recordings of railroad sounds. My favorite was called Rail Dynamics and was recorded near Peekskill, NY. It was described as ‘rainy night along the New York Central’. Mostly steam with a few diesel streamliners as it was done in 1950. Another was ‘Railroad Sounds - steam and diesel’ and described as ‘sounds of a vanishing era.’ It was recorded along the IC.
     
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    Photo of the emergency exit instructions inside a room on 69002.
     
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    I remember 10" 78s, but not 12".
     
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    JIS is spot on. 4-5 minutes instead of 3.. It was around as both 10 and 12 inch Mostly shellac and brittle, but when shellac was scarce (like WW2) some 12 inch vinyl was pressed. Obviously vinyl took over for LP anyway, as did 33 1/3.
     
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    I suppose you have one of these, too... https://www.mcintoshlabs.com/products/amplifiers/MC275B

    Or want one.... [​IMG]
     
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    With all that has been going on under Anderson, I wonder if the Sleepers will ever materialize as I would not be surprised if Sleeper service is terminated before all is said and done. We've already seen the beautiful Viewliner Diners downgraded to nothing more than table cars.
     
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    Still love the sound of a tube amp, but I don't listen to enough music to justify it. Nice to see a beautifully made product can still come from the Southern Tier of NY.
     
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    Drool..........Worth the money in high end unlike some other stuff.
     
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    Ha ha...I 'get' the subtle shot at CAF..... [​IMG]
     
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    Sorry, I don't get it...
     
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    Where are the Viewliner's being made? [​IMG]
     
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    Elmira, but that's not what I don't get. How is that "a subtle shot at CAF"? Just sounds like he's explicitly complimenting CAF, rather than making some sort of subtle insult.
     
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    I guess today is the day for acting dumb [​IMG]
     
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    Never mind.
     
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    If you looked at the link for that McIntosh Amp, you would see that it was made in Binghamton--also in the "Southern Tier" of NY....he was being sarcastic, inferring that not everything made their is not good....
     
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    Ohhhhhh. Thank you! [​IMG]
     
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    Yeah interesting that Alstom and CAF are both located there. Politics have something to do with it too. Unfortunately the things I have read say the skill level of the local population is lacking and that is hurting the quality of the products coming out of that area.
     
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    Hornell has a rail history back 160 years. The CAF site is also not new to rail cars. The lack of workers with modern manufacturing skills is a nationwide problem with a number of contributing factors, certainly not restricted to that area. Government incentives to lure business to a depressed area particularly where suitable space exists is pretty typical.
     
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    OK. This is what I actually expect. I expect the Boston sleeper and the Boston baggage car to be replaced with a bag-dorm -- the Boston sleeper routinely has significantly lower demand than the NY sleeper, and two full baggage cars is overkill except in the very busiest days of the year. Then I expect the "Boston" sleeper to be reassigned to the New York side, where there is *plenty* of demand. Yes, this means the train into NY is one car longer, but it'll still fit on the platform, so that's fine.

    And to the person who asked, yes, the rooms in the bag-dorm are saleable roomettes.
     
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    What's the baggage load like on 66/67? Will it fit in a bag-dorm?

    If so, then maybe:

    66/67 - 2 bag-dorms

    448/449 - 3 bag-dorms

    Cardinal - 2 bag-droms

    Protect at Boston

    Protect at Chicago

    One saved for the daily Cardinal

    I know, I can dream...

    On another topic, there's already a Boston-based cafe / business car attendant on 448/449. They can hire a Boston-based sleeper attendant for 66/67; this is not a problem.
     
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    But isn't the whole idea of the baggage/dorm to put the crew in there to open revenue space in the regular sleepers?
     
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    That was the original idea, however if they have spares and there's a train that doesn't need a regular sleeper or a full baggage car, a bag-dorm could serve both purposes well. As was said, this would make sense on trains like the Cardinal, Boston section of the LSL, and the overnight Regionals (65/66/67). If they replaced the baggage car on those trains with a bag-dorm, they would probably still have enough baggage space, while increasing (or introducing) sleeper space.
     
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    There will not be platform length problems even with Empire NYP train lengths 4 cars longer. Remember that the present NYPS work is adding new crossovers so empire trains can reach all the way to track 15 with many tracks what 12 cars long..
     

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