The Boeing MAX 8 Accidents

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  1. May 17, 2019 #51

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    As a Boeing shareholder and having sent a request to their Investor Relations Office requesting the results of the votes recorded at the Annual Meeting and receiving no response in answer to my inquiry other than the initial "we've received your e-mail and will be in touch soon". Granted, I don't own millions of shares of Boeing. But, when Anheuser-Busch existed, this shareholder's request for information was honored and done so with appreciation. I didn't own millions of A-B shares then, either.
     
  2. May 17, 2019 #52

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    No disinfectant quite as effective as sunlight....
     
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    May 15th, a hearing during a committee of the House of Representatives involving administrators from the FAA and NSTB concerning the 737 MAX accidents: a site that I follow such issues concluded from the testimony that the NSTA is singularly concerned about aviation safety; the FAA, not so much.
     
  4. May 23, 2019 #54

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    Are both NSTA and NSTB both supposed to be NTSB?
     
  5. May 23, 2019 #55

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    Like many other US regulatory agencies the FAA is intentionally hobbled with the often mutually exclusive motives of both regulating and promoting the industry they oversee. Whereas the NTSB is tasked with clear and obvious goals but given no teeth with which to enforce their solutions. The system is not flawed or broken; it is operating in the precise manner for which it was designed. The fact that it requires a pile of dead bodies to fix anything is no accident.
     
  6. May 23, 2019 #56

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    Sorry. I hit the wrong key. Meant to say NSTB and not NSTA.
     
  7. May 23, 2019 #57

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    I think the system is broken from what I have read. FAA is too cozy with Boeing. Boeing's current Executives are concerned about the corporate balance sheet and "beating Airbus" foremost.
     
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    Nope. You actually meant to say NTSB (National Transportation Safety Board) not NSTB.
     
  9. May 23, 2019 #59

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    Go back to cable and not wire. Still prefer Boeing vs Airbus but will take Amtrak whenever possible. Buy American.
     
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    Thanks for correction #2!
     
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    My husband worked at Boeing as an engineer for more than 30 years--now retired--and he's not at all surprised by what is unfolding. Among other issues, the continual re-working of the 737's design over the years has resulted in changes and modifications being made by recently graduated design engineers unable to read the legacy code of the original designs. As senior engineers have been pushed into retirement, no one who knows legacy code languages remain. At least the 787's were designed from the ground up! (Though the outsourcing of many aspects of the plane's design and manufacture created its own challenges with inconsistencies as the aircraft were assembled.) Still, I happily fly on the 787 myself.

    In another interesting twist, I was contacted by a media outlet concerning the fact that the Boeing CEO asked for and got the Board to pay for personal legal counsel for him. Clearly the only reasons why a CEO would need to worry about personal liability is if there was a risk of liability for fraud or if there is a potential for personal criminal liability. As a shareholder of Boeing (well, via community property!) I wonder why corporate funds are being used in that way...
     
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    Yeah, I agree. They seemed to have gone to the well one too many times with that latest rev. Of the 37
     
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    Basically, the last rev really needed to include a new wing and landing gear. But financially that was viewed to be a bridge too far apparently. So here we are where we are.
     
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    "Buy American" ? What about all those starving workers at Huawei ???
     
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