Passenger train derailment in the Bronx

[AmtrakBlue]

Just heard on GMA. Haven't looked up a link yet (fixing breakfast).

 

[SarahZ]

http://www.businessinsider.com/metro-north-train-derails-in-the-bronx-2013-12

 

[SarahZ]

Another: http://nypost.com/2013/12/01/metro-north-train-derails-in-the-bronx/

 

[AmtrakBlue]

Thanks Sarah.

 

[guest]

At least 2 reported dead.

 

[guest]

Is that the same track set that Amtrak NYP to Albany trains use?

 

[VentureForth]

I believe so.

A passenger quoted to ABC7 that it seemed to be traveling faster than usual and jumped a curve.

I hope this isn't Spain all over again.

 

[Fan Railer]

4 fatalities as of right now. And, no. This derailment occurred right after the split from the amtrak used tracks, which lead to 34th street NYP. MNR trains go to Grand Central.

Seems like an unfortunate case of one or maybe more of the following:

1.) Speeding

2.) Engineer negligence

3.) Engineer health problems

 

[SarahZ]

CNN link:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/01/travel/new-york-train-derails/index.html

They confirmed the cars didn't enter the water.

This is so sad.

 

[Fan Railer]

Some photos by Trevor Logan:

http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/topic/43519-mnraccident-photos/

 

[Rule G]

4 fatalities as of right now. And, no. This derailment occurred right after the split from the amtrak used tracks, which lead to 34th street NYP. MNR trains go to Grand Central.

Seems like an unfortunate case of one or maybe more of the following:

1.) Speeding

2.) Engineer negligence

3.) Engineer health problems

Or a track defect, or equipment malfunction,or a debris strike.

Let's not automatically blame the engineer based on a quote from an injured passenger.

 

[Fan Railer]

4 fatalities as of right now. And, no. This derailment occurred right after the split from the amtrak used tracks, which lead to 34th street NYP. MNR trains go to Grand Central.

Seems like an unfortunate case of one or maybe more of the following:

1.) Speeding

2.) Engineer negligence

3.) Engineer health problems

Or a track defect, or equipment malfunction,or a debris strike.

Let's not automatically blame the engineer based on a quote from an injured passenger.

Time will tell. Might be all of them (track was poorly maintained, AND there was speeding, which caused poorly maintained track to fail). We'll just have to wait and see.

 

[SubwayNut]

One thing that's certain, the train was a dual-mode P32 from Poughkeepsie and was in push mode with the dual-mode P32AC-DM pushing the 7 Shoreliner cars (there the same design as Amtrak's Horizons)

 

[jis]

The derailment is south (about 0.4 miles or so south) of the Amtrak connection. So once the confusion settles down it is likely that Amtrak service will resume.

 

[Fan Railer]

According to the engineer, it was a brake issue:

A law enforcement official on the scene and familiar with the investigation said the train operator told investigators he applied brakes to the train, but it didn't slow down.

 

[OlympianHiawatha]

WNBC reports Engineer survived alright and was the one who made the 911 call. Although the desk anchors on this seems to be knowledgeable even to details on the cars and push-pull config, no confirmation if it was actually Engineer or one of the Conductors.

 

[CHamilton]

Via KING 5 TV on Facebook.

One professional railroader commented:

Sharp curve. Same spot where a CSX freight derailed a few months ago.

 

[Railroad Bill]

A sad day for the passengers and crew and the families of those lost.

Hope we can refrain from placing blame for the accident until all the evidence is in. :mellow:

 

[PRR 60]

The derailment is south (about 0.4 miles or so south) of the Amtrak connection. So once the confusion settles down it is likely that Amtrak service will resume.

Looking at the aerial, the accident site is just south of the junction with the Amtrak west side connection. With the number of first responders and others on the scene, Amtrak operation may be disrupted for a while.

 

[AlanB]

One professional railroader commented:

Sharp curve. Same spot where a CSX freight derailed a few months ago.

That professional is incorrect! This derailment is north of the SD station. The CSX freight derailment was south of the SD station. One has nothing to do with the other as the two sites are at least 1/4 of a mile apart, if not closer to a 1/2 mile apart.

 

[SarahZ]

My goodness. Look how close it came to going in the water.

 

[CHamilton]

Commuter Train Derails In The Bronx Killing 4

First responders gather around the derailment of a Metro North passenger train in the Bronx borough of New York on Sunday.
Craig Ruttle/AP

 

[AlanB]

Based upon what I'm seeing from live shots, assuming that the power & signal systems weren't damaged in the accident; Amtrak will be able to resume service as soon as they get some of those rescue crews out of the way.

Additionally, MN should be able to run limited service on this line using the eastern most track which was not damaged at all. It won't be anything approaching normal, but again once rescue crews are cleared in theory it should be possible to resume some service.

The middle track will need some work, as well as the removal of the engine and a few cars before it can be used. The outer or westernmost track will require an extensive rebuilding before it can carry trains again.

 

[Railroad Bill]

I guess if we are looking for silver linings.. another few feet and it might have wiped out the station and caused many more serious injuries for those on the overhead platform.

 

[Paulus]

Is that a station that the train would have been expected to stop at?