beautifulplanet
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Hello everyone,
is anybody here an expert on the improvements planned in the LOSSAN corridor?
So far, it seems like a lot of different information is out there, and so far I don't really seem to be able to create an actual up-to-date picture of it, what improvements are already being implemented, or definitely will be soon, and which plans are just proposals that may likely never materialize.
As the Pacific Surfliner uses that corridor, as well, maybe one could have posted this question in a different sub-category as well, but as the commuter service seems to have more riders on this route (Metrolink Orange County line circa 3 million annually, Metrolink Ventura line about a million, Coaster circa 2 million, while the Pacific Surfliner has 2.7 million), it seemed like the Commuter Rail forum would be the right one.
F.e. this link says:
"During the next 20 years, SANDAG plans to construct nearly $1 billion in improvements in the San Diego County section, including a primary effort to double track the corridor from Orange County to downtown San Diego. To date, approximately half of the San Diego corridor has been double tracked. Other infrastructure improvements include bridge and track replacements, new platforms, pedestrian undercrossings, and other safety and operational enhancements."
http://www.keepsandiegomoving.com/lossan/lossan-intro.aspx
Nearly $1 billion sounds like a lot, but it is spread out over 20 years, still that's 50$ million a year.
Then, f.e. there is the "LOSSAN Corridorwide STRATEGIC IMPLEMENTATION PLAN", a nearly 300-page document, including in chapter 3.3. on page 33 a "2030 Preferred Service Plan" (version 1).
That shows a very promising increase in passenger service (baseline vs. 2030 version 1):
- Commuter (LOSSAN South) services increasing from 64 to 142
- Commuter (LOSSAN North) services incrasing from 61 to 90
- Pacific Surfliner Intercity services increasing from 22 to 36
- Amtrak Long Distance services increasing from 4 to 6
Then it lists concrete construction projects for improving the corridor, and which ones supposedly are already funded and which ones are not.
Found here: http://www.octa.net/pdf/projectid_260_14371.pdf
Finally, there is the 2013 California State Rail Plan.
Chapter 8.8 starting on the page 213, is called "Pacific Surfliner Capital Projects".
Once again, it lists all the individual improvement measures. Most of the near-term ones (2013 to 2015) seem to be funded. Also a selected few of the "mid-term" (starting 2016, did not know midterm starts so soon ) already seem to be funded, while all of the "long-term" (2021-2040) are not.
Document available here:
http://californiastaterailplan.dot.ca.gov/docs/Final_Copy_2013_CSRP.pdf
So what does all of that mean concretely then?
What time savings can be obtained with the improvements that are already funded?
When will construction on those be finished?
How likely is it that more improvements will be implemented?
Is there anything known yet about the possibility to increase service like mentioned in that scenario above?
In case anyone knows how to make sense of all this,
I'd appreciate any replies.
is anybody here an expert on the improvements planned in the LOSSAN corridor?
So far, it seems like a lot of different information is out there, and so far I don't really seem to be able to create an actual up-to-date picture of it, what improvements are already being implemented, or definitely will be soon, and which plans are just proposals that may likely never materialize.
As the Pacific Surfliner uses that corridor, as well, maybe one could have posted this question in a different sub-category as well, but as the commuter service seems to have more riders on this route (Metrolink Orange County line circa 3 million annually, Metrolink Ventura line about a million, Coaster circa 2 million, while the Pacific Surfliner has 2.7 million), it seemed like the Commuter Rail forum would be the right one.
F.e. this link says:
"During the next 20 years, SANDAG plans to construct nearly $1 billion in improvements in the San Diego County section, including a primary effort to double track the corridor from Orange County to downtown San Diego. To date, approximately half of the San Diego corridor has been double tracked. Other infrastructure improvements include bridge and track replacements, new platforms, pedestrian undercrossings, and other safety and operational enhancements."
http://www.keepsandiegomoving.com/lossan/lossan-intro.aspx
Nearly $1 billion sounds like a lot, but it is spread out over 20 years, still that's 50$ million a year.
Then, f.e. there is the "LOSSAN Corridorwide STRATEGIC IMPLEMENTATION PLAN", a nearly 300-page document, including in chapter 3.3. on page 33 a "2030 Preferred Service Plan" (version 1).
That shows a very promising increase in passenger service (baseline vs. 2030 version 1):
- Commuter (LOSSAN South) services increasing from 64 to 142
- Commuter (LOSSAN North) services incrasing from 61 to 90
- Pacific Surfliner Intercity services increasing from 22 to 36
- Amtrak Long Distance services increasing from 4 to 6
Then it lists concrete construction projects for improving the corridor, and which ones supposedly are already funded and which ones are not.
Found here: http://www.octa.net/pdf/projectid_260_14371.pdf
Finally, there is the 2013 California State Rail Plan.
Chapter 8.8 starting on the page 213, is called "Pacific Surfliner Capital Projects".
Once again, it lists all the individual improvement measures. Most of the near-term ones (2013 to 2015) seem to be funded. Also a selected few of the "mid-term" (starting 2016, did not know midterm starts so soon ) already seem to be funded, while all of the "long-term" (2021-2040) are not.
Document available here:
http://californiastaterailplan.dot.ca.gov/docs/Final_Copy_2013_CSRP.pdf
So what does all of that mean concretely then?
What time savings can be obtained with the improvements that are already funded?
When will construction on those be finished?
How likely is it that more improvements will be implemented?
Is there anything known yet about the possibility to increase service like mentioned in that scenario above?
In case anyone knows how to make sense of all this,
I'd appreciate any replies.
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