Daily Sunset Limited Campaign

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  1. Oct 12, 2019 #26

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    Good luck, to those fighting for the Sunset to finally run daily! While you're at it, you should try to get letters of support from Lafayette, LA's city council and mayor written, as well. Don't forget to also try to get similar letters of support written from those in Lake Charles, Houma and Schreiver(IIRC that's the town outside of Houma where Amtrak actually stops in, correct me if wrong), and Alpine, TX as well!

    Also, don't forget to see if you can get letters of support written, from those in Palm Springs as well. I know that place has the similar challenge of Yuma, where it runs overnight. :(
     
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  2. Oct 12, 2019 #27

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    I've covered the 900 miles in Texas from Beaumont to El Paso with great results. My fellow RPA members in Palm Springs are not having much luck to date, so if you have any connections please let me know. Have emailed Louisiana RPA organization (via their website) asking for help but have never received reply.
     
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  4. Nov 26, 2019 #29

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    The article implies that Amtrak is all for going daily, but I am not so sure. Anderson and his flyboys have clearly indicated their disdain for long distance trains as non profitable routes. Being as the Sunset Limited is one of the worst performers, why would they all of a sudden invest in making it a daily train? Their allocated costing methodology would undoubtedly put this through the ringer before the very first daily run, which will only strengthen the company's argument to stay triweekly (or worse).

    It's not the UP we should be concerned; they can be negotiated with. The current Amtrak regime is not willing to do any of this by themselves, nor spend the money needed for the upgrades. In fact, I predict Amtrak will try to break up this route into smaller segments, remove amenities such as dining cars, sleepers etc... It will take a very strong political push from the representatives along the route to simply maintain the current service levels, much less invest in expansion.
     
  5. Nov 26, 2019 #30

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    There seems to be an unspoken assumption that Anderson will remain the boss from now till eternity, which may not be as true as some think it might be. His days may be more numbered than anyone imagines. ;)
     
  6. Nov 26, 2019 #31

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    The reason UP asked for so much money back in 2010 when Amtrak wanted to make the Sunset a daily train is because they were planning to double track much of the route themselves to improve capacity for their freight trains. When Amtrak asked UP for a daily Sunset, UP saw that as an opportunity to not have to pay for the upgrades themselves. In other words, the $750 million price tag of a daily Sunset was really UP attempting to exploit Amtrak's desires for improved service. When Amtrak's plans stopped due to the price tag, UP was forced to pay for the capacity upgrades for freight service on the route themselves.
     
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  7. Nov 27, 2019 #32

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    Maybe so, but he has installed a lot of airplane parts into the passenger railroad. Unless Wick comes out of retirement again, I don't see much reverting back to pre-Anderson levels.
     
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    Given his disdainful attitude towards *his bosses* in Congress? He may not last long!

    The sad thing is that I don't even think it's entirely Anderson's fault. Much of the stuff he's been proposing is really, really dumb and if he actually understood Amtrak's finances he would never have proposed much of it. There's someone under him feeding him bad information and making him look bad, and the evidence points to Stephen Gardner.

    The question in my mind is whether *Gardner* can be pushed out; Gardner clearly has a bad attitude and doesn't understand Amtrak customers or finances, but he's mostly managing to keep his head down and direct most of the flak at Anderson. However, a couple of Gardner interviews, supiciously timed to defend the indefensible, gave Gardner's agenda away. A very bad outcome, IMO, would be if Gardner got promoted.
     
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    Frankly, I suspect that RPA doesn't have many members in Louisiana. The only one I can think of of the top of my head... isn't in Louisiana any more.

    Louisiana ARP looks in bad shape -- although they had a meeting scheduled for October 12, they haven't posted on their website since then and they haven't put anything on their blog since 2017. You might have to look a little further afield to assemble advocacy within Louisiana; I think the localities *would* be interested.

    The only local-transit advocacy organization I can find in Louisiana is Ride New Orleans; they'd probably decide this was outside their area of interest, but they might be convinced to support a daily train for the value of daily service to Houston.

    All Aboard Arizona advocates are clearly happy to help, they've been advocating for daily service forever, and still seem to be going; I'm glad they're making good progress.
     
  10. Nov 30, 2019 #35

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    TxARP isn't anything to write home about either. I don't even know if it still exists.
     
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    Similar to what happened with the simultaneous Pioneer study. Amtrak made no attempt to negotiate over what obviously was a starting point. My favorite expense was for fencing the main line at the Shoshone station due to trespass casualties from the wrong side of the tracks saloons, solving a problem that has existed since the 19th century.
     
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