I prefer N/S.Thanks for the link. I was just thinking about doing that run next year. I'm just trying to decide if I should go North - South or vice versa.
I am going on it this morning, but only to Santa Barbara. Would like to take the Surfliner or Metrolink/Coaster down to San Diego sometime and see the views on that line.Thanks for the link. I was just thinking about doing that run next year. I'm just trying to decide if I should go North - South or vice versa.
It's a great train--I've done it roundtrip. It's about the same, but I like South-North more.Thanks for the link. I was just thinking about doing that run next year. I'm just trying to decide if I should go North - South or vice versa.
It is my favorite LD train.It's a great train--I've done it roundtrip. It's about the same, but I like North-South more.Thanks for the link. I was just thinking about doing that run next year. I'm just trying to decide if I should go North - South or vice versa.
I could only get it to enlarge a bit but it looks like they may be P42s; however I did right away notice no Baggage Car.Note that the first picture you see has the CS led by a pair of F40PHs.
Those are F40PHs all right. They have the orginal Phase III with the black roof. P42DCs never had those other than specially painted locomotives.I could only get it to enlarge a bit but it looks like they may be P42s; however I did right away notice no Baggage Car.Note that the first picture you see has the CS led by a pair of F40PHs.
What do people think is so scenic about the CZ? When you ascend from Denver it's so far away I can't feel anything. The canyons feel like you are put between a rock and a hard place, literally. For me, the best part was going by the cliffs in the desert near HER and GRI. Second best was 79 mph running in eastern Colorado, before DEN. The mountains were hugely disappointing.Been on the CS a few times, mostly between Bay area and Portland, and once from LA to DUN. IMHO, anyone who calls it the most scenic route has not been on the CZ. Just sayin'.
Don't get me wrong, I do like the CS a lot, even though as I have said before, I think the PPC is way over rated, and frankly, a bit shabby. Anyone who thinks it is a "luxury varnish car" has never been aboard a well maintained wooden yacht.
Huge, yes. Disappointing, NO. Heheh. What kind of mountains would it take to impress you, if the Rockies and the Sierra Nevada don't do it? Were you raised in Tibet or something?What do people think is so scenic about the CZ? When you ascend from Denver it's so far away I can't feel anything. The canyons feel like you are put between a rock and a hard place, literally. For me, the best part was going by the cliffs in the desert near HER and GRI. Second best was 79 mph running in eastern Colorado, before DEN. The mountains were hugely disappointing.Been on the CS a few times, mostly between Bay area and Portland, and once from LA to DUN. IMHO, anyone who calls it the most scenic route has not been on the CZ. Just sayin'.
Don't get me wrong, I do like the CS a lot, even though as I have said before, I think the PPC is way over rated, and frankly, a bit shabby. Anyone who thinks it is a "luxury varnish car" has never been aboard a well maintained wooden yacht.
All natural geography impresses me equally, not just mountains. Mountains are just one of them. What I mean is that just becuase the CZ passes through lots of mountains dosen't mean it's the best train in Ameirca. It's good, just not better than any other train just for mountains. You would need more than that to impress me, things about the train and it's personnel instead of just nature.Huge, yes. Disappointing, NO. Heheh. What kind of mountains would it take to impress you, if the Rockies and the Sierra Nevada don't do it? Were you raised in Tibet or something?What do people think is so scenic about the CZ? When you ascend from Denver it's so far away I can't feel anything. The canyons feel like you are put between a rock and a hard place, literally. For me, the best part was going by the cliffs in the desert near HER and GRI. Second best was 79 mph running in eastern Colorado, before DEN. The mountains were hugely disappointing.Been on the CS a few times, mostly between Bay area and Portland, and once from LA to DUN. IMHO, anyone who calls it the most scenic route has not been on the CZ. Just sayin'.
Don't get me wrong, I do like the CS a lot, even though as I have said before, I think the PPC is way over rated, and frankly, a bit shabby. Anyone who thinks it is a "luxury varnish car" has never been aboard a well maintained wooden yacht.
I don't think that most of us would agree that all natural geography (is there any other kind?) is equal, otherwise we'd all be raving about our trips across Iowa and Nebraska and Texas. True, those places are beautiful but several hours of flatness and farms is not nearly as impressive to most people as the dramatic changing views in the Rockies.All natural geography impresses me equally, not just mountains. Mountains are just one of them. What I mean is that just becuase the CZ passes through lots of mountains dosen't mean it's the best train in Ameirca. It's good, just not better than any other train just for mountains. You would need more than that to impress me, things about the train and it's personnel instead of just nature.Huge, yes. Disappointing, NO. Heheh. What kind of mountains would it take to impress you, if the Rockies and the Sierra Nevada don't do it? Were you raised in Tibet or something?What do people think is so scenic about the CZ? When you ascend from Denver it's so far away I can't feel anything. The canyons feel like you are put between a rock and a hard place, literally. For me, the best part was going by the cliffs in the desert near HER and GRI. Second best was 79 mph running in eastern Colorado, before DEN. The mountains were hugely disappointing.Been on the CS a few times, mostly between Bay area and Portland, and once from LA to DUN. IMHO, anyone who calls it the most scenic route has not been on the CZ. Just sayin'.
Don't get me wrong, I do like the CS a lot, even though as I have said before, I think the PPC is way over rated, and frankly, a bit shabby. Anyone who thinks it is a "luxury varnish car" has never been aboard a well maintained wooden yacht.
Well, everybody's entitled to their own opinion. Personally I like the middle-of-nowhere feeling for miles that you get on the EB.I don't think that most of us would agree that all natural geography (is there any other kind?) is equal, otherwise we'd all be raving about our trips across Iowa and Nebraska and Texas. True, those places are beautiful but several hours of flatness and farms is not nearly as impressive to most people as the dramatic changing views in the Rockies.All natural geography impresses me equally, not just mountains. Mountains are just one of them. What I mean is that just becuase the CZ passes through lots of mountains dosen't mean it's the best train in Ameirca. It's good, just not better than any other train just for mountains. You would need more than that to impress me, things about the train and it's personnel instead of just nature.Huge, yes. Disappointing, NO. Heheh. What kind of mountains would it take to impress you, if the Rockies and the Sierra Nevada don't do it? Were you raised in Tibet or something?What do people think is so scenic about the CZ? When you ascend from Denver it's so far away I can't feel anything. The canyons feel like you are put between a rock and a hard place, literally. For me, the best part was going by the cliffs in the desert near HER and GRI. Second best was 79 mph running in eastern Colorado, before DEN. The mountains were hugely disappointing.Been on the CS a few times, mostly between Bay area and Portland, and once from LA to DUN. IMHO, anyone who calls it the most scenic route has not been on the CZ. Just sayin'.
Don't get me wrong, I do like the CS a lot, even though as I have said before, I think the PPC is way over rated, and frankly, a bit shabby. Anyone who thinks it is a "luxury varnish car" has never been aboard a well maintained wooden yacht.
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