Alstom making progress on Acela 2 contract

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  1. Mar 17, 2019 #176

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    Can you provide a citation to the section of the relevant CFR where your claimed modification appears?
     
  2. Mar 17, 2019 #177

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    https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...tive-compliance-and-high-speed-trainsets#h-81

    I guess I missed this one. They did, in fact, up Tier II to 160 a few months ago. I am very happy to be wrong about that!

    And further down, alternative crashworthiness requirements are established for Tier I and II. Only Tier I is mentioned specifically, but I am pretty sure that Tier II by definition includes all criteria of I and adds on more, since Acela II is being designed with a CEM system to comply with this rule as well:
    https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...gth-of-cab-cars-and-multiple-unit-locomotives
     
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    Good point. However the upgrade of MNRR would come from an entirely different money pool. Transfer the 150 MPH money to MNRR slim and a negative none. On your trip do you know if your train had clear signals or was following another train? Also did it have to slow for the Walk bridge work? The new interlocking east of Walk is still not in service so that makes for a long 2 track running segment, Was your trip during rush hours?
     
  4. Mar 18, 2019 #179

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    Metro North has always been that way. Keep in mind that the New Haven Line is a very busy Line and is always undergoing some type of work. I’ve seen their DTOBO which stands for Daily Train Operations Bulletin Order. Which is their version of a TSRB or Temporary Speed Restriction Bulletin. So basically slow orders. While I haven’t seen one in a while. The DTOBO on the New Haven Line was longer than both the Harlem and Hudson lines combined. Metro North doesn’t have an obligation to upgrade the speed to 80mph track cause they run Amtrak. Just like Amtrak doesn’t have an obligation to upgrade track for Freight or commuter service.
     
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    Your points are well taken. I've been riding that route once or twice a year for almost 20 years, and there's always been work. Do they ever plan to finish the work?

    While Metro North might not have an obligation to accommodate Amtrak high speed rail, if the political leaders at the Federal and state level have any interest in even "higher speed" intercity rail between New York and Boston, it might be worth it for them to both change Metro North's mandate regarding its responsibility to Amtrak and to provide them with enough funding to upgrade the infrastructure to allow consistent running at 70-80 mph. Maybe even some maximum speed of 90 mph, if its technically feasible.
     
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    The New Haven Line has always been unbearably slow. The 72.7 miles from NHV to GCT takes ~104-125 minutes on MNRR, including expresses. It's utterly ridiculous.
     
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    MNRR in a few years could get their express tracks to about 90 MPH for at least short distances. East of Bridgeport or where many trains short turn then maybe some speed up. The only other solution which is impossible would be a 5th track for super expresses NYG - New Haven.
     
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    Its fun to see the unknowing with no experience or knowledge discus what Metro North should do. the New Haven line before Metro North never was a higher speed than 70 mph.
    Metro North got some sections to higher speed including a token 90 mph section. It was the FRA that reduced the speeds due to concerns MN was pushing the limits.
    The token 90 mph from New Rochelle till just short of Harrison saved a whopping 27 seconds of running time .
    a educated calculation a few years ago showed if entire line were made 100 mph minus the temporary restrictions would be a gain of 3 minutes and 20 seconds at a cost of many Billions of US peso's
    the biggest thing hindering Amtrak is simple facts they do not show up on time at wherever they enter Metro North, even a minute can put you behind a Metro North train simple as that.
     
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    Dutch, I was thinking exactly that. Glad you stated it so eloquently ...
     
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    They'll show up on time or early and Metro North will put them behind, it happens every day.... Don't blame Amtrak for being 1 minute late. I was once on an Acela that arrived into New Haven 10 minutes early. By the time we got to Stamford we were 20 minutes late. So unless Amtrak magically took over the dispatching on the New Haven line, this goes on Metro North.
     
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    Very true. Happens waayyy too often.
     
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    Amtrak may still have an opportunity to address the MN dispatching delay problems if the agreement language to allow MN on Amtrak's route into Penn Station not finalized. On-Time performance language can be added into the agreement before it is signed. Basic language such as "I will let me use my tracks for additional service as long as you run my trains X percent on your tracks between locarion A and location B".
     
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    Then again Amtrak distressingly often has difficulty keeping its own trains on its own dispatched railroad on time, and of course, we shall not even discuss what happens to NJT ( when they can find a crew to run their train that is )
     
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    They will never finish the work. Do you know why? It is one of the busiest commuter lines in the country. It is also one of the oldest. It takes a constant pounding. So even if they finish one project, it is time to do another one. By the time they finish everything, the first thing they completed will need an overhaul.

    Remember, they are working to literally rebuild ever component of their railroad. Bridges, catenary, underpasses, overpasses, track beds...everything. It started in the late 90s.
     
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    The Wall Street Journal has posted a story on Alstom's building of the Acela II trainsets.

    Credit to Jis for the find and posting the article to Facebook.

    It should be noted that there are only 2 photos. One is of what I'll guess will be a cafe and the other is of the interior of a shell that is undergoing work.

    Article is behind a paywall but may show up for some who don't pay. It oddly enough showed up on my phone.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/next-g...oBQpfxbFe5tV2Te8h8Q6zriLqlmuuwMbmpWKAFSlIBdlc
     
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