A 'Mixed' VIA Ocean for the Summer

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  1. May 21, 2019 #1

    NS VIA Fan

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    After a derailment this past winter plus another incident where a CN maintenance crew left track material within the gauge the westbound Ocean struck:

    https://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/no-injuries-after-via-rail-train-strikes-debris-near-debert-1.4344724

    ……VIA is now short of sufficient equipment to operate the expanded summer consists.

    Beginning in June and through September…..VIA will operate a ‘Mixed’ Budd Stainless-Steel and Renaissance Ocean. (Yes, I know it always runs with a Budd Park Car but now they’re also adding Budd Coaches and Sleepers) Here’s a sample consist that was posted elsewhere:


    F40PH2
    F40PH2
    F40PH2
    Budd Baggage
    Budd Coach
    Budd Coach
    Budd Coach
    Ren Transition Car
    Ren Service/Lounge Car
    Ren Dining Car
    Ren Service/Lounge Car
    Ren Accessible Sleeper (Line #30)
    Ren Sleeper (#31)
    Ren Transition Car
    Chateau sleepers (#33)
    Chateau sleepers (#34)
    Chateau sleepers (#35)
    Chateau sleepers (#36)
    Chateau sleepers (#37)
    Chateau sleepers (#38)
    Chateau sleepers (#39)
    Budd ‘Park Car’ Dome Obs (#40)

    So if you want to sample classic Budd equipment or the modern smooth riding Rens…..now the time to book a trip on the Ocean.


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  2. May 21, 2019 #2

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    I’m on the Ocean on the 31st I believe I’m on the all Budd train Naturally.
     
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  3. Jun 16, 2019 #3

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    As per ticketing I received back in the early Spring I'm on 14 leaving Montreal 8/14 (car 1437 unit 05); on 15 leaving Halifax 8/23 (car 1536, unit 06). How can I tell if these are Ren or Budd? If I was ticketed on Ren but am being moved to Budd, will they send me a new boarding pass with updated accommodation info?

    I'm kinda hoping I'm on Budds...
     
  4. Jun 16, 2019 #4

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    If you look at ReserVIA for Aug 14....it's showing a mixed Budd/Ren consist and referring to the consist posted above....unit 37 is a Budd Chateau Sleeper. On Aug 23....ReserVIA is showing an all Ren consist so unit 37 is a Ren Sleeper. But it's all subject to change and I'd check with VIA a day or so before you travel. Aug 14.JPG Aug 23.JPG
     
  5. Jun 18, 2019 #5

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    Thanx for the explanation. If this holds, it's perfect. I have been on their Budds on the Canadian and like them fine; brings back memories of pre-Amtrak in the US. Never been on a Ren so this might be a win-win.

    I do hope the rolling stock in the derailment is not lost forever.
     
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    From what I recall, all cars could be repaired, but it will be up to the government to decide whether it deems that it would be an economically sound decision to commit the capital funds required to do so...
     
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    I don't know how these things work in the US or Canada, so need to ask: Are public transit accidents covered by insurance?
     
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    Can't speak specifically to VIA or Amtrak... but many large companies are "self-insured," i.e., they don't buy insurance but instead (are supposed to) set aside funds to cover expected losses. It's very common for employee health insurance, at any firm with thousands of employees --- but the same general idea applies to any company with thousands of pieces of more-or-less identical equipment.

    In my opinion VIA is a little too small for that to be a good practice on rolling stock. But it makes a great deal of sense for a freight railroad that may have thousands of identical coal hoppers.
     
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    I do not know about VIA but Amtrak is "self insured" up to a very high level. Amtrak also has a hold harmless agreement with the host railroads, so that Amtrak is responsible for its own losses, regardless of whether the host railroad is at fault.
     
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    Most Canadian Crown Corporations (of which VIA is one) are self-insured for most things except buildings (for fire, flood, etc.). This means other losses such as theft have to be absorbed. Not sure how this translates for VIA in the current discussion, but I'd bet they're on-the-hook for the damage barring court action for negligence or similar.
     
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  11. Aug 14, 2019 at 4:31 PM #11

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    A poster at the Can-Pass-Rail Group provided a link to some photos on Blogspot that show the Renaissance Cars within the ‘Mixed’ Budd Ocean consist. The other Ocean consist remains all Renaissance except for a Chateau sleeper (for crew) and the Park Car on the end.

    The Ocean is now too long to fit the platforms in Halifax and is being split on two tracks. VIA has adjusted the departure time from Halifax to 12:45pm instead of 1:00pm so everyone will be aboard and they can start combining the sections. All times west of Halifax remain the same.

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jxV0iUAi...7bCVcMRlm0NAlZ1iF2wCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_5223.jpg

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3IYnoyi2...RCXu4iMaNyWoW82bYJACLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_5235.JPG

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mDumDuVL...3dF5VoF4QdjanFDGwCLcBGAs/s1600/cut_cover2.jpg
     
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