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This Saturday the First of December. Septa will officially run a "Farewell to the AEM-7" Excursion of sorts. See the link for details. 

I also have information that a Rules Instructor at Septa had proposed a much more Rail Fan friendly trip that would have included High Speed Running, Photostops, and would have been an all day jaunt. To make it better Septa ran it by Amtrak.. Amtrak gave it the ok! Septa in turn decided against it for some reason. 

http://www.septa.org/events/aem7-farewell.html

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44 minutes ago, AutoTrDvr said:

I believe NJ Transit might still have some of their units in service (they call them ALP-44s). 

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They took those out of service a long time ago. Also, the ALP-44 is a different locomotive model than the AEM-7. They’re similar, but they don’t just “call them ALP-44s”. It’s a different loco.

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9 hours ago, Acela150 said:

I also have information that a Rules Instructor at Septa had proposed a much more Rail Fan friendly trip that would have included High Speed Running, Photostops, and would have been an all day jaunt. To make it better Septa ran it by Amtrak.. Amtrak gave it the ok! Septa in turn decided against it for some reason.

Well that’s a shame. I would have loved to try something like that. Still, I’ll see if I can make it for the one that is happening. Fingers crossed.

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1 hour ago, cpotisch said:

They took those out of service a long time ago. Also, the ALP-44 is a different locomotive model than the AEM-7. They’re similar, but they don’t just “call them ALP-44s”. It’s a different loco.

What are the differences, then? 

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23 minutes ago, AutoTrDvr said:

What are the differences, then? 

Unfortunately I don’t really know the exact differences. Just that they are two different models built by two different manufacturers.

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On 11/27/2018 at 10:51 AM, cpotisch said:

Unfortunately I don’t really know the exact differences. Just that they are two different models built by two different manufacturers.

A little Wiki research provides some clarity.

The original Sweedish Locomotive, the SJ  RC4... The engine in this locomotive was the basis for the AEM-7, built via a joint venture between EMD and the Sweedish AESA company and produced between 1978 - 1988.  Hence, the name "Sweedish Meatballs."

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In 1989, NJ Transit commissioned AESA (now merged with the Brown, Boveri & Cie Co. of Switzerland to form the ABB Group), to have its ABB Traction Div. build a variant of the AEM-7 exclusively for them, between 1989 - 1997.  Hence, the ALP-44.  

 

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AESA is actually ASEA which stands for Allmänna Svenska Elektriska Aktiebolaget (General Swedish Electric Company)

ABB divested its rail equipment manufacturing functions which was acquired by DaimlerChrysler to form DaimlerChrysler Rail Systems around 1999, which changed its name to Adtranz. Adtranz was acquired by Bombardier in 2001, and its Tram division was divested to Stadler as required by the European Commission, thus making Stadler a viable company in the rail equipment market. So by inheritance, it is Bombardier that provides whatever spares etc. for all RC4 and derivatives that are still around.

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7 hours ago, jis said:

AESA is actually ASEA which stands for Allmänna Svenska Elektriska Aktiebolaget (General Swedish Electric Company)

Sorry.... just my "dyslexia" there...  :D

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28 minutes ago, cpotisch said:

@Acela150 I don’t see the cost listed on that page. Is it free or is it the typical fare for that segment or what?

So that's pretty much a Million Dollar Question. Welcome to Septa where it's run by a bunch of idiots. The rumors say either Free or the cost of a regular ticket. I'm not going for this exact reason. I need to know the cost. And I don't think I'll be out trying to get photos cause the weather is supposed to be rainy. 

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I'm assuming it's also an unreserved service. Which I'm going to say is a horrible idea. Either the train is going to be so packed that it won't be enjoyable with standing pax or it'll be empty because no one is going to commit to it. Reservations are a good thing for any excursions.

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1 hour ago, Seaboard92 said:

I'm assuming it's also an unreserved service. Which I'm going to say is a horrible idea. Either the train is going to be so packed that it won't be enjoyable with standing pax or it'll be empty because no one is going to commit to it. Reservations are a good thing for any excursions.

And how do you propose Septa go about that? They don't have a reservations system. The same reason that NJT sold tickets for the ACES Service through Amtrak. 

The consist will be 2301 4 coaches and 2305. 

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18 hours ago, jis said:

AESA is actually ASEA which stands for Allmänna Svenska Elektriska Aktiebolaget (General Swedish Electric Company)

ABB divested its rail equipment manufacturing functions which was acquired by DaimlerChrysler to form DaimlerChrysler Rail Systems around 1999, which changed its name to Adtranz. Adtranz was acquired by Bombardier in 2001, and its Tram division was divested to Stadler as required by the European Commission, thus making Stadler a viable company in the rail equipment market. So by inheritance, it is Bombardier that provides whatever spares etc. for all RC4 and derivatives that are still around.

However, when ABB divested its rail traction business, certain parts were kept within the ABB fold due to synergies with other (non transportation) parts of the business that shared research and manuafcturing resources. For example ABB continued to make transformers and also auxiliary converters, and also some other things. At the time of the divestment, ABB and Bombardier signed an agreement, I think for a 10 year duration, that they would not compete in these areas and this essentially barred ABB from going back into the train buiness.

Now that that grace period has expired, ABB are again making converters and drive chains and also motors and supplying these to both Bombardier and Bombardier's competitors. Stadler trains (at least the more recent deliveries)  for example almost all use ABB converters. Siemens' ICE-3 has an ABB transformer. Some of the ICE-1 trains were recently retrofitted with ABB converters, as were the Swiss Re460 locomotives. ABB has also succesfully tendered for and acquired contracts to do maintenance, retrofit and repairs on Swedish locomotives including the Rc4 and derivatives. 

Edited by cirdan

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Well I am going to try and see if I can find out the price, as I am interested in going. If any other AUers are at all interested, please send me a PM, as that would really seal it for me. :) 

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Oh, I really hope someone goes and takes photos and posts them here:). That way, those of us who were idiotic enough to be talked into a bus trip with 4 hours total on NJ roads that day, and cannot see a polite way to get out of it, can see what we really would have liked to do instead and had to miss!:(

The weather says PM showers, so the train trip may avoid rain completely.:unsure:

If any of you go, please say goodbye to the AEM-7s for me. I really liked them and will miss them.:(

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There are ways to run a reserved trip without a reservation system.

Take the Lancaster and Cheater RR in South Carolina who ran a very popular Christmas train for five plus years with five PVs. They didn't have a res system so this how they did the ticketing.

The passengers would call the office phone and request tickets. Then they set them aside for a week till your check arrived in the mail. Afterwards the check arrived they mailed you the ticket.

Of course they had all paper tickets so it was really easy to control inventory that way. They ran a total of twelve different trains like this over a weekend.

The septa trip would be really easy to handle as a one off trip.

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There is a railroad called Lancaster and Cheater? Or is that a case of an ‘a’ inadvertently substituted for an ‘s’?

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Yeah so I have concluded that it’s just the standard fare for that route, however I’m having a hard time figuring out what that fare actually is. I know that Paoli is Zone 4 and Suburban is Zone 1, but I don’t see the price of a 4 to 1 ticket listed anywhere. Can someone familiar with SEPTA direct me to a link or something that lists those prices? I take it I’m the only one planning on going to this?

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10 minutes ago, cpotisch said:

Yeah so I have concluded that it’s just the standard fare for that route, however I’m having a hard time figuring out what that fare actually is. I know that Paoli is Zone 4 and Suburban is Zone 1, but I don’t see the price of a 4 to 1 ticket listed anywhere. Can someone familiar with SEPTA direct me to a link or something that lists those prices? I take it I’m the only one planning on going to this?

Suburban is NOT Zone 1. It's Zone "C". If you buy in advance at the ticket office it's $10.50 round trip. 

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1 hour ago, Acela150 said:

Suburban is NOT Zone 1. It's Zone "C". If you buy in advance at the ticket office it's $10.50 round trip. 

Thanks. Not sure how my brain turned it from “C” to “1”. You’re definitely not going, right?

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38 minutes ago, cpotisch said:

Thanks. Not sure how my brain turned it from “C” to “1”. You’re definitely not going, right?

No. Not going. 

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Ok then. Well since it’s going to be pretty early and I’m not sure how I’d get to Paoli (or even Pennsylvania) in the first place, I guess I’m not going. RIP, AEM-7s. :(

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