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CHamilton

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To my friends in Florida, Illinois, Missouri, North Carolina, and Ohio: What happens today is important. PLEASE VOTE! And for those of us in Washington state, please participate in the caucuses on March 26.
No, the candidates are not all alike.

Who wins will have a huge impact on your life and mine.
 
I voted early, and as a good Chicagoan, will be back later for the often bit (kidding of course). My polling place was busier than I've seen it before for a primary, which is the important election in our area for judges, etc, yet no, yes, none, not one, campaign workers canvassing outside the polling place.
 
Glad to see so many voting even if the TV Unreality Star is the reason for the large turnout,!

Those of you in Ohio I feel sorry for since the "good" choice in tbe Republican Primary is the anti-rail Governor of Ohio who seems "Moderate" compared to the others in the Clown Car!.

As was said about Chicago, Vote Early and Vote Often!

May the best person for the Country win!
 
We Ohioans did our part tonight by electing John Kasich. But can the Trumpettes be stopped?? :eek:
Good job Buckeyes,! And say Goodnight to My Little Friend Marco!( can't carry your Own State?!! That's McGovern and Gore territory!)
If I remember correctly Gore won the popular vote and then lost to the Supreme Court. It's possible he lost in the Electoral College as well but since the Supreme Court unilaterally halted the recounts before they could finish we'll probably never know that for certain. Hard to bash a man for being kicked out of the running by a group of activist judges.
 
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You're right DA, Gore actually Won the Popular Vote and the Supremes stopped the Recount in Florida ( which Gore would have won) but he failed to carry his Homestate of Tennesse which is Politics 101!

Btw- the 2004 election was stolen in Ohio via Computer! Small world!

First Rule of Politics: They who count the Votes Win the Election!
 
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You're right DA, Gore actually Won the Popular Vote and the Supremes stopped the Recount in Florida ( which Gore would have won) but he failed to carry his Homestate of Tennesse which is Politics 101!

Btw- the 2004 election was stolen in Ohio via Computer! Small world!

First Rule of Politics: They who count the Votes Win the Election!
and the 1960 election was stolen in Chicago when the dead rose again to vote for Kennedy. The US has a fine tradition of stealing elections from all sides.
 
You're right DA, Gore actually Won the Popular Vote and the Supremes stopped the Recount in Florida ( which Gore would have won) but he failed to carry his Homestate of Tennesse which is Politics 101!

Btw- the 2004 election was stolen in Ohio via Computer! Small world!

First Rule of Politics: They who count the Votes Win the Election!
and the 1960 election was stolen in Chicago when the dead rose again to vote for Kennedy. The US has a fine tradition of stealing elections from all sides.
303 Electoral Votes for Kennedy minus 219 Electoral Votes for Nixon equals a difference of 84 Electoral Votes. Illinois only had 27 Electoral Votes which doesn't seem to be nearly enough to swing the whole election. Not sure if this is false equivalency or bad math.
 
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The most famous stolen Presidential elections before Bush v. Gore were decided in the House of Representatives and gave us Jefferson and Jackson as Presidents. Pretty good results it says here.

Since the Demos controlled the Congress in 2000, perhaps that election should have gone to the House instead of "Activist Supreme Court Justices" giving it to W! ( btw- I'm no fan of Al Gore) YMMV
 
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The most famous stolen Presidential elections before Bush v. Gore were decided in the House of Representatives and gave us Jefferson and Jackson as Presidents. Pretty good results it says here.

Since the Demos controlled the Congress in 2000, perhaps that election should have gone to the House instead of "Activist Supreme Court Justices" giving it to W! ( btw- I'm no fan of Al Gore) YMMV
You are mistaken. In 2000, the House was controlled by the Repubs.
 
The most famous stolen Presidential elections before Bush v. Gore were decided in the House of Representatives and gave us Jefferson and Jackson as Presidents. Pretty good results it says here.

Since the Demos controlled the Senate in 2000, perhaps the Demos should have refused to certify the Electorial College Votes instead of having "Activist" Republican Supreme Court Justices giving it to W! It only took one Senator objecting to the totals to debate it!( btw- I'm no fan of Al Gore) YMMV
You are mistaken. In 2000, the House was controlled by the Repubs.
You are correct sir, Edited to say the Senate instead of House.
 
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So why would a Dem Senate object to any totals given that the House was Repub? Seems like a lose - lose proposition for them, no? If the totals went the Dem way, no reason to refuse to certify. If the totals went the Repub way, how was not certifying that and throwing the election to the House controlled by the Repubs going to get them anything different?

Seems like a Rube Goldberg proposal for nothing. :p
 
The most famous stolen Presidential elections before Bush v. Gore were decided in the House of Representatives and gave us Jefferson and Jackson as Presidents. Pretty good results it says here.
The worst stolen election was Hayes-Tilden in 1876.

Barely 10 years after the end of the Civil War, and a few years after amnesties had returned the right to vote to those who had taken up arms against the United States, several Southern states sent two (2) delegations to the Electoral College. The Democratic delegations were lily white. The Republican delegations were mostly black, or blacks plus white Repub allies called names by the ex-Confederates. The Repubs argued that the all-white Democratic delegations had "won" by violence and intimidation from the Ku Klux Klan.

It went to the House to settle, and political horsetrading was the order of the day. As a dirty compromise, the Party of Lincoln took the Presidency, with its power to appoint thousands or tens of thousands of good federal jobs in the days before Civil Service limited that stuff.

The Democrats got the end of Reconstruction, meaning the end of all rights for the former slaves and their offspring. As a direct result of Hayes-Tilden, across the South blacks lost the right to vote, black schools were closed, blacks were arrested on the streets for "vagrancy" and rented out to work on the surviving plantations, segregation was enforced in public places and on the trains (on topic!), most blacks were forced into becoming debt-ridden tenant farmers, and frequent lynchings kept blacks in terror.

For the next 75 years or more, blacks in the South were trapped in a system of "slavery by another name." Arguably, the only freedom won by blacks from the Civil War was that their families could no longer be broken up and sold off in different directions. Well, there was that.

This sordid and shameful sellout is usually skipped over in the patriotic tellings of our history, so it's not famous, but it's surely the worst stolen election.
 
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There is a huge difference between the more sordid and shameful actual history between the Civil War and the final desegregation in the mid 20th century, and the self-congratulatory official version of it. But both are well documented for those that want to know. For that matter the official history of the Civil War and the more dispassionate one as found in say something like "Battle Cry of Freedom" by James McPherson, gives one a very nice sense of contrast between the two. Shall we say that the commitment towards racial equality was minimal to non-existent even among most Northerners at that time. Removal of Slavery was not the original goal of the Civil War, but the overplaying of their hand by the Confederates precipitated that shift of emphasis about half way through it.

As for rail passengers service, segregation continued well into the 20th century south of the Mason Dixon Line.
 
The primaries this year are going to go all the way to June, and California. Nobody is likely to get a majority before then.

In the Democratic primary, *proportional representation* is used, so if 55% of California voters vote for candidate X, candidate X gets 55% of the California delegates. What this means is that (unlike in the general election) *every vote counts* -- there are no "safe states".

This isn't true in the Republican primary, unfortunately, but *some* of the states use proportional representation in the Republican primary -- you can loook it up.

Anyway, your vote almost certainly matters in the Presidential primary this year. Unlike in the general election.
 
The primaries this year are going to go all the way to June, and California. Nobody is likely to get a majority before then.

In the Democratic primary, *proportional representation* is used, so if 55% of California voters vote for candidate X, candidate X gets 55% of the California delegates. What this means is that (unlike in the general election) *every vote counts* -- there are no "safe states".

This isn't true in the Republican primary, unfortunately, but *some* of the states use proportional representation in the Republican primary -- you can loook it up.

Anyway, your vote almost certainly matters in the Presidential primary this year. Unlike in the general election.
On the republican side, it would seem that Montana will have more say than normal this cycle.
 
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