Jump to content
Steve4031

Obama to Announce High-Speed Rail Plan Post-Speech

Recommended Posts

The details about who gets how much is being posted 1 state or corridor project at a time at http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/st...ts-and-releases.

 

So far:

Iowa get $17 million

Cleveland - Columbus - Dayton - Cincinnati corridor gets $400 million

VA and NC combined for the Charlotte - Raleigh - Richmond - Washington, D.C. gets $620 million

CA gets $2,344 million not just for HSR, but some funding for the Surfliner and Capital Corridor routes.

Minneapolis/St. Paul - Madison - Milwaukee - Chicago corridor gets $823 million total

Chicago - St. Louis - Kansas City corridor gets $1,333 million.

Texas Ft. Worth Area gets $4 million for signal timing improvements at grade crossing for the Texas Eagle. They must have figured they had to throw something to TX.

 

Adds:

Eugene - Portland - Seattle - Vancouver, BC corridor gets $598 million. Will add 2 additional daily round trips between Seattle and Portland, reduce travel time by at least 5% (odd way to put it). Wouldn't they have to buy at least 1 more Talgo set to add 2 additional daily trips? Hey, call WI to tag on to the Talgo order...

Edited by afigg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
It's curious how the California section of that map includes the coastal route as well as the HSR plan that we voted for.

 

And Vegas is on there, very cool.

I see that, a very straight line from LA to Vegas. I couldn't enlarge the map, so it's hard to tell what towns and cities that impacts.

The official HSR route map put out by the Transportation department does not reflect the planned route of the California HSR system and the rough outline of the Texas T-bone. Take it as a idea map where the HSR corridors of the US are, not as a map that bears much resemblance to the reality where the HSR tracks might go. The California HSR plan route map can be found at http://www.cahighspeedrail.ca.gov/map.htm. While there is a privately funded plan to build a corridor train from Victorville, CA to Las Vegas, a Victorville end point with no train connection to LA is a questionable business plan. If the CA HSR system gets built according to their map, a obvious extension to the CA HSR system would be to build a line from Palmdale to Las Vegas. Imagine people being able to get on a 220 mph train in LA and taking a direct train to Las Vegas so they can lose their money in the casinos even sooner. :ph34r:

 

But a HSR line to Las Vegas is not going to be started with the current round of HSR funds. The main parts of the CA HSR system have to be funded and built first.

Yes, and I really wonder if the same city fathers that designed some of the roadwork around Victorville were involved with that HSR plan. From VV to Las Vegas, say what? I still don't follow the logic. :huh:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ok, 3 more press releases have been posted.

 

Pontiac-Detroit-Chicago gets $244 million

Tampa - Orlando gets $1,250 million

 

The Northeast region gets lumped together with $485 million from the HSR fund, $706 million from Amtrak ARRA grants (which I think was allocated some time ago). See http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office...ogram-northeast.

There is not a breakout of the funding, but:

Maine gets funding to extend the Downeaster to Brunswick and reduce travel time between Portland and Boston by 17%

Vermont get funding to extend the Ethan Allen to Burlington, VT

Vermont and MA get the funding to re-route the Vermonter to the Knowledge corridor.

PA gets little, just funding to close the 3 remaining grade crossings on the Keystone East and a study for HSR to Pittsburgh.

NYC-Albany-Buffalo gets 7 projects funded to improve on-time performance.

 

I think the corridors that are directly tied to the NEC did not get much because they are waiting on the NEC Master Plan and however much funding Congress eventually authorizes to get the NEC in good shape.

 

If I add $485 million for the Northeast region to all the others announced so far, I get $8,123 million. So either there is some overlap funding here or they are dipping into the $2.5 billion HSR funds for FY10. Or engaging in some fudging of the numbers.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

VERY pleased with Obama's remarks on the trains.

 

"Eventually, the Southeast Corridor is expected to use Atlanta as a regional hub, with connections from Atlanta east to Charlotte, south to Macon and Jacksonville, north to Chattanooga, and west to Birmingham."

 

Woo!!!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Here are my guesses....

 

1 - Florida for Orlando to Tampa Corridor.

2- NEC NYP-WAS

3- NEC NYP-BOS

4- California Project

5- Nevada for Las Vegas to LA/Anaheim.

6- IL for CHI-St.Louis Corridor

7- WI for CHI-Milwalkee Corridor

8- MO for St. Louis-Kansas City Corridor

9- VA for Regionals

10- PA for Keystone Improvement/Expansion

11- NC (not sure where)

12- WA for Cascades

13- This one is up in the air... couldn't decide.

 

Thought it was fun to guess....

 

The Kansas City Star's "PrimeBuzz" political blog is reporting that Missouri and Illinois will both be receiving funding, but not at the levels requested. Senator Kit Bond confirmed that Missouri will be reciving funds, but would not provide additional details.

http://primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/21153

Kit Bonds response was interesting. It will be interesting to see what part of $200 Missouri gets.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest MikefromCrete

Rather than concentrate the money on two or three big projects, the administration is spreading this money around, which isn't a bad thing.

Here in the Midwest, the Chicago-St. Louis corridor will get some big bucks to push service up to the 110 mph mark (not world class speed, but a lot better than anything else around here), Wisconsin gets money to extend service to Madison, Michigan gets money to upgrade the Detroit-Chicago corridor, Indiana gets money to build a passenger bypass around the Norfolk Southern roadblock, and Illinois also gets money to eliminate the at-grade crossing of Amtrak/Norfolk Southern with Metra Rock Island at Englewood. These last two projects will also benefit the eastern long-distance trains, giving them a faster, better entrance into Chicago.

In a perfect world, we'd be building new super high speed lines, but this is the best news for passenger rail in a long, long time.

I noticed that Vermont will get money to upgrade service to Burlington, and that should please a number of posters on this site, not exactly high speed, but it should serve to improve and expand service in a state that has been supportive of passenger rail.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Wow, this is some really great stuff. Even though Texas is only getting $4 million. We're just a little behind, but just you wait. We'll be having some descent train service in no time. Both republican candidates for governor support expanded rail in Texas.

 

I just love reading some of the comments in some of the newpaper articles. One side, "oh geeze, more of my tax money going to trains nobody's going to ride," to "what? we're spending billions of dollars and the train are only going to go 100 mph?!"

 

Obviously, I can see lots of misconceptions running rampant over the next few weeks, from both sides of the isle.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I noticed that Vermont will get money to upgrade service to Burlington, and that should please a number of posters on this site, not exactly high speed, but it should serve to improve and expand service in a state that has been supportive of passenger rail.

 

Well, we didn't get the money to upgrade the line to Burlington, but we did get the money to improve the Vermonter line, which runs to Essex Jct (about 8 miles away from Burlington). This will result in a dramatically improved trip time on the Vermonter line. I'm going to be posting more about it later, when I'm out of work, but I think that this will be a fantastic thing if implemented right. Provided the the arrival times in Vermont are kept the same or later, and the departure times are kept the same or earlier, I expect to see explosive growth in the ridership of the Vermonter. The primary problem with the Vermonter is that if you want to take it anywhere, you basically loose the whole day. As long as the outbound trip is early enough in the morning and the return trip is late enough in the evening, with the new improvements one will be able to spend the majority of the day somewhere before/after their train trip. My only worry is that they'll move both times towards the middle of the day, in which case you'll still have to spend the bulk of the day on the train. But if the times are structured like the Ethan Allen is right now, this is going to be fantastic, and also completed much sooner than the Ethan Allen extension would be.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Various pointers to the White House and Sec DOT provided materials on this subject can be found in this thread.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
VERY pleased with Obama's remarks on the trains.

 

"Eventually, the Southeast Corridor is expected to use Atlanta as a regional hub, with connections from Atlanta east to Charlotte, south to Macon and Jacksonville, north to Chattanooga, and west to Birmingham."

 

Woo!!!

And yet Georgia's only getting $750,000 for "studies." Here's a cazy idea, build the hub infrastructure and a connecting line first THEN go and build more.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest MikefromCrete
Is this money going to shovel-ready projects, or is it going to states that Pres. Obama thinks he'll most need to get re-elected in '12?

Probably both.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
VERY pleased with Obama's remarks on the trains.

 

"Eventually, the Southeast Corridor is expected to use Atlanta as a regional hub, with connections from Atlanta east to Charlotte, south to Macon and Jacksonville, north to Chattanooga, and west to Birmingham."

 

Woo!!!

And yet Georgia's only getting $750,000 for "studies." Here's a cazy idea, build the hub infrastructure and a connecting line first THEN go and build more.

 

Here's another idea... you have to study things before you build them.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
VERY pleased with Obama's remarks on the trains.

 

"Eventually, the Southeast Corridor is expected to use Atlanta as a regional hub, with connections from Atlanta east to Charlotte, south to Macon and Jacksonville, north to Chattanooga, and west to Birmingham."

 

Woo!!!

And yet Georgia's only getting $750,000 for "studies." Here's a cazy idea, build the hub infrastructure and a connecting line first THEN go and build more.

 

Here's another idea... you have to study things before you build them.

 

So from $8B only Florida and California ($3.5) are some kind of HSR projects, the rest $4.5 will go for regular train improvements, am I right that this is inappropriate allocation?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
So from $8B only Florida and California ($3.5) are some kind of HSR projects, the rest $4.5 will go for regular train improvements, am I right that this is inappropriate allocation?

 

 

According to them, and to how "Incrementally increased speed rail service" is defined, the regular train improvements are appropriate. Several of the members here, including myself, are in parts of the nation where we have only one departure per day, and it is at a 79 mph level. Madison, WI, has not had regular rail service since 1971, and, with this appropriation, we will finally get service. To me, that is appropriate.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Is this money going to shovel-ready projects, or is it going to states that Pres. Obama thinks he'll most need to get re-elected in '12?

 

I sincerely doubt that Obama is stupid enough to think he will be elected or not based upon the promise of systems that may or may not get built before the funding plug is pulled.

 

Truth be told, though, I think most of the projects awarded are reasonable. Only the Florida and California systems are pie-in-the-sky in nature. California, though, has put so much money into building a state-wide rail system that I tend to believe that the CHSR will become a reality. The proof is in the putting, and California has put a lot of trains on the road.

 

Florida, though... If it wasn't such a short system, I'd be positive it's just a dream. But even the idiots in Florida can probably lay down 86 miles of straight track over flat terrain. Of course, the fun part is they'll have their HSR... but no Amtrak service.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Is this money going to shovel-ready projects, or is it going to states that Pres. Obama thinks he'll most need to get re-elected in '12?

 

I sincerely doubt that Obama is stupid enough to think he will be elected or not based upon the promise of systems that may or may not get built before the funding plug is pulled.

 

Truth be told, though, I think most of the projects awarded are reasonable. Only the Florida and California systems are pie-in-the-sky in nature. California, though, has put so much money into building a state-wide rail system that I tend to believe that the CHSR will become a reality. The proof is in the putting, and California has put a lot of trains on the road.

 

Florida, though... If it wasn't such a short system, I'd be positive it's just a dream. But even the idiots in Florida can probably lay down 86 miles of straight track over flat terrain. Of course, the fun part is they'll have their HSR... but no Amtrak service.

 

"Idiots in Florida"???? gee, thanks

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
So from $8B only Florida and California ($3.5) are some kind of HSR projects, the rest $4.5 will go for regular train improvements, am I right that this is inappropriate allocation?

 

You have to learn how to walk before you can run. Most of these allocations will help get things ready for future upgrades.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
So from $8B only Florida and California ($3.5) are some kind of HSR projects, the rest $4.5 will go for regular train improvements, am I right that this is inappropriate allocation?

 

You have to learn how to walk before you can run. Most of these allocations will help get things ready for future upgrades.

I agree. This is a good start to revitalizing passenger rail. It spreads the money around and gives a taste of better rail service to a variety of places. Money well spent if you ask me.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Is this money going to shovel-ready projects, or is it going to states that Pres. Obama thinks he'll most need to get re-elected in '12?

 

. But even the idiots in Florida can probably lay down 86 miles of straight track over flat terrain. Of course, the fun part is they'll have their HSR... but no Amtrak service.

 

Hey,Hey,Hey,LOL!!!!

RF :cool::lol:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Surely $1.1 billion for Chicago - St Louis should go a long way, no? I wonder how long it'll be before we can ride 110 mph trains on that route.

 

Oh yes... the money is going to good projects. The argument some people have seems to be what money is going to what they call "legitimate high speed rail" which is generally considered to be 150 or faster.

 

However, I have seen what a 110mph corridor can look like and how it can run (the Keystone Corridor) and I think this is the answer. You don't have to run trains at 150 or faster to have a great usable corridor. Chicago to St. Louis is a GREAT place for a 110mph corridor and I think all of this funding will be a great start to more passenger rail corridors in the USA.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

×