[SanJoaquinRider]

I'm going to try riding the monorail in Las Vegas this weekend.

Meeting a friend at the Wynn Hotel and Casino, which seems to be about 1/4 mile from the nearest monorail stop.

Which stop has the best/free parking?

How practical is it to walk to Wynn?

Any other tips/suggestions for getting the most out of the monorail?

[WhoozOn1st]

The Vegas monorail is kinda slow (one moderately speedy stretch, between Convention Center and Harrah's/Imperial Palace) and clunky, in my view, but still fun to ride, albeit pretty expensive for what it is. Get a day pass if planning on a lot of riding. Parking at the Sahara end should be easy (not sure of the cost, if any, cuz I'm always on foot). Walking to the Wynn from the closest station (Harrah's/Imperial Palace) is indeed practical for most.

From the MGM Grand end it's a short walk on pedestrian bridges over the main drag (via either the Tropicana or New York New York) to Excalibur, where a free elevated tram (NOT a monorail) will take you to Mandalay Bay via Luxor.

Las Vegas Monorail

This post has been edited by WhoozOn1st: 28 January 2010 - 01:12 PM

[SanJoaquinRider]

WhoozOn1st, on Thu, Jan 28, 2010, 09:58 AM, said:

The Vegas monorail is kinda slow (one moderately speedy stretch, between Convention Center and Harrah's/Imperial Palace) and clunky, in my view, but still fun to ride, albeit pretty expensive for what it is. Get a day pass if planning on a lot of riding. Parking at the Sahara end should be easy (not sure of the cost, if any, cuz I'm always on foot). Walking to the Wynn from the closest station (Harrah's/Imperial Palace) is indeed practical for most.

From the MGM Grand end it's a short walk on pedestrian bridges over the main drag (via either the Tropicana or New York New York) to Excalibur, where a free elevated tram (NOT a monorail) will take you to Mandalay Bay via Luxor.

Las Vegas Monorail

Thanks for all the useful info!

I am disappointed by the interactive map on the website. It's slow and painful and cluttered.

Does anyone know where I can find a simple map with the stations well marked?

[WhoozOn1st]

SanJoaquinRider, on Thu, Jan 28, 2010, 11:12 AM, said:

I am disappointed by the interactive map on the website. It's slow and painful and cluttered.

Kinda like the monorail itself.

Maybe this map will help: Las Vegas Strip Map. Note that the Excalibur-Mandalay and Mirage-Treasure Island trams are called monorail routes, which they are not.

[GG-1]

SanJoaquinRider, on Thu, Jan 28, 2010, 09:12 AM, said:

WhoozOn1st, on Thu, Jan 28, 2010, 09:58 AM, said:

The Vegas monorail is kinda slow (one moderately speedy stretch, between Convention Center and Harrah's/Imperial Palace) and clunky, in my view, but still fun to ride, albeit pretty expensive for what it is. Get a day pass if planning on a lot of riding. Parking at the Sahara end should be easy (not sure of the cost, if any, cuz I'm always on foot). Walking to the Wynn from the closest station (Harrah's/Imperial Palace) is indeed practical for most.

From the MGM Grand end it's a short walk on pedestrian bridges over the main drag (via either the Tropicana or New York New York) to Excalibur, where a free elevated tram (NOT a monorail) will take you to Mandalay Bay via Luxor.

Las Vegas Monorail

Thanks for all the useful info!

I am disappointed by the interactive map on the website. It's slow and painful and cluttered.

Does anyone know where I can find a simple map with the stations well marked?

Aloha

The site also used to have a PDF printable one with fare options in addition to stations. For an incomplete system the LV monorail is fairly good. Would have been better if it went down the center of the strip, and must serve the Airport and Downtown transportation center. The original segment was between Bally's and The MGM Grand the original trains were from Disney Florida, the Mark III I seem to remember.

[AlanB]

GG-1, on Thu, Jan 28, 2010, 02:30 PM, said:

The original segment was between Bally's and The MGM Grand the original trains were from Disney Florida, the Mark III I seem to remember.

One of those two things doesn't work. Either the original trains were from Disneyland in California, or the original trains had to be Mark IV's. Disney World never used Marc III trains. They started with the IV's and then graduated to the current Mark VI's.

[GG-1]

AlanB, on Thu, Jan 28, 2010, 12:10 PM, said:

GG-1, on Thu, Jan 28, 2010, 02:30 PM, said:

The original segment was between Bally's and The MGM Grand the original trains were from Disney Florida, the Mark III I seem to remember.

One of those two things doesn't work. Either the original trains were from Disneyland in California, or the original trains had to be Mark IV's. Disney World never used Marc III trains. They started with the IV's and then graduated to the current Mark VI's.

Aloha Alan

Then they were the Mark IV's. I spoke to the Vegas people on an early visit and commented about the look of the trains, and they seemed different from the CA trains. They confirmed they had purchased the first trains that had run in Florida, after the Florida upgrade. I have ridden all but the latest versions Mark VII new to Calif last year. Thought I would during the last gathering in SoCal, but time ran out. Will do it before this year ends.

Frankly what I can't understand is how few cities choose this type of system compared to cost of construction compared to the success of operation. Heck the Alweg trains have run how may miles, carrying so many passengers in the last 50 years, and only one stupid mistake

[AlanB]

GG-1, on Thu, Jan 28, 2010, 06:26 PM, said:

Frankly what I can't understand is how few cities choose this type of system compared to cost of construction compared to the success of operation. Heck the Alweg trains have run how may miles, carrying so many passengers in the last 50 years, and only one stupid mistake

Alas, even though Walt intended the monorail to serve as a demonstration of something viable for the future transportation needs of cities, far too many people ended up equating monorails with amusement part rides. They don't see it as viable transportation, they see it as something you ride when going to an amusement park.

[WhoozOn1st]

AlanB, on Thu, Jan 28, 2010, 09:21 PM, said:

Alas, even though Walt intended the monorail to serve as a demonstration of something viable for the future transportation needs of cities, far too many people ended up equating monorails with amusement part rides. They don't see it as viable transportation, they see it as something you ride when going to an amusement park.

A quibble: I don't think folks see a monorail as something you ride when going TO an amusement park, but rather as something you ride AT an amusement park. Had Wally been more serious and/or visionary about the demonstration aspect he might have built - or lobbied for and supported - a monorail line from, say, L.A. Union Station TO his Tragic Kingdom, doing double duty as public transit and a theme park customer delivery system. That woulda been a REAL demonstration of monorail viability.

[GG-1]

WhoozOn1st, on Thu, Jan 28, 2010, 08:28 PM, said:

AlanB, on Thu, Jan 28, 2010, 09:21 PM, said:

Alas, even though Walt intended the monorail to serve as a demonstration of something viable for the future transportation needs of cities, far too many people ended up equating monorails with amusement part rides. They don't see it as viable transportation, they see it as something you ride when going to an amusement park.

A quibble: I don't think folks see a monorail as something you ride when going TO an amusement park, but rather as something you ride AT an amusement park. Had Wally been more serious and/or visionary about the demonstration aspect he might have built - or lobbied for and supported - a monorail line from, say, L.A. Union Station TO his Tragic Kingdom, doing double duty as public transit and a theme park customer delivery system. That woulda been a REAL demonstration of monorail viability.

Aloha

When I worked in the Park, early 60's, Walt did try to extend a leg to LA. He was once quoted that he did not care if it went by "that other park", that even if they build the station no one would get off there. What killed the effort was the 2 counties wanted ownership after 7, and 10 years. Walt supposedly said he was ok with ownership going to the counties after recovered his investment.

In rethinking dates it was some time between 63 to 67 as that's when I was in college in Orange county.

[sechs]

SanJoaquinRider, on Thu, Jan 28, 2010, 09:16 AM, said:

I'm going to try riding the monorail in Las Vegas this weekend.

Meeting a friend at the Wynn Hotel and Casino, which seems to be about 1/4 mile from the nearest monorail stop.

Which stop has the best/free parking?

How practical is it to walk to Wynn?

Any other tips/suggestions for getting the most out of the monorail?

Back on topic... unless you're going to/from either the Hilton or the convention center, I wouldn't suggest bothering with the monorail. It's expensive, and generally slow and inconvenient. Parking is free at all of the hotels, and the strip is walkable.

[GG-1]

sechs, on Fri, Jan 29, 2010, 07:43 PM, said:

SanJoaquinRider, on Thu, Jan 28, 2010, 09:16 AM, said:

I'm going to try riding the monorail in Las Vegas this weekend.

Meeting a friend at the Wynn Hotel and Casino, which seems to be about 1/4 mile from the nearest monorail stop.

Which stop has the best/free parking?

How practical is it to walk to Wynn?

Any other tips/suggestions for getting the most out of the monorail?

Back on topic... unless you're going to/from either the Hilton or the convention center, I wouldn't suggest bothering with the monorail. It's expensive, and generally slow and inconvenient. Parking is free at all of the hotels, and the strip is walkable.

Aloha

I would like to know your description of "Walkable" Yes there ae good sidewalks, but some of the parking lots are a mile across. Some of the Convention centers are almost a mile under roof. I would also appreciate your definition of "generally slow". When 10,000 people are going to a facility at the same time people will be standing so it cannot accelerate so fast that people fall, whatever that speed is.

Yes its location is inconvenient, but that came about by the Hotel Corporations decisions. If it had run down the center of the strip, as it should have, in my opinion, Hotels that did not invest in the project would have benefited. Secondly Some of the hotels were concerned about their casino's and fancy fronts being blocked.

And remember the Taxis blocked much of the smart route, fearing loss of business. If just 100 people took the monorail from the Airport instead of a taxi the taxi's would loose about $700 per flight in & out of McCarrin Airport.

[the_traveler]

I agree with what Eric said. I would not call the Strip walkable!

True there is a sidewalk all along the Strip. I would cross the Strip to go from MGM to New York, New York or from Bally's to Bellagio. However, if it's 110º (or if is is "only" 70º), I would not want to walk from Luxor to Treasure Island!

I forget the length of the Strip, but IIRC from the southern most casino to the northern most casino is something like over 5 miles! And that doesn't include the downtown casinos - which are a few miles from the north end of the Strip!

[sechs]

Maybe you folks just need to get out more. I've gone from Mandalay Bay as far as Wynn without using a taxi or a bus or the monorail; that's only about two miles.

The distance from the MGM Grand to Harah's (which is as far as the monorail can get you before detouring to the Hilton) is about one and a quarter miles. Your average New Yorker walks further than that every day.

I will point out that downtown Las Vegas isn't on the strip; so, it's pretty misleading to imply that it has something to do with the walkability of the strip.

The strip, from Russell to Sahara is only about 4.1 miles, and none of it is actually *in* Las Vegas.

[the_traveler]

sechs, on Sun, Jan 31, 2010, 12:46 AM, said:

Maybe you folks just need to get out more. I've gone from Mandalay Bay as far as Wynn without using a taxi or a bus or the monorail; that's only about two miles.

The distance from the MGM Grand to Harah's (which is as far as the monorail can get you before detouring to the Hilton) is about one and a quarter miles. Your average New Yorker walks further than that every day.

Very true, but it is usually not over 100º in New York either! I lived near LV from 1994 to 2000, and many times it was 110º-120º anytime between May and October! I would not chose to walk 2-3 miles in that heat!

[SanJoaquinRider]

OK here is my trip report from the Las Vegas monorail.

We boarded at the north end, at Sahara station. The first problem was parking. Sahara's self-service parking garage was closed for construction, and the only parking available there was Valet. Ironically there was a huge parking lot on the south side of the station, totally empty and closed. We decided to park in the Starbucks lot across the street.

My friend is a Nevada resident, so she was eligible to buy two monorail tickets for $1 each. Tourists pay $5 per ride or $15 for an all day pass. Now that is expensive public transportation! We first rode from Saraha to Harrah's/Imperial Palace. We both remarked that the ride seemed a bit bumpy.

We walked from Harrah's to Wynn, which was a reasonable walk. We cut through Harrah's casino over to the strip and walked up to Wynn, about 1/4 mile from the station.

After lunch we rode the remainder of the line down to MGM Grand, stopped there for a short time, then got back on and went back to our car at Sahara.

The views of the city and skyline are pretty good. I was glad to have a local friend with me who could point out all the sights.

I was struck by the station names, with the exception of Convention Center, being named after commercial entities. Most transit systems have stops named after neighborhoods or streets. It would be like the NYC Subway having stops with names like Macy's, Sak's, Waldorf-Astoria etc.

Another odd feature of the stop names, was that every announcement seemed like it was "Harrah's/Imperial Palace Las Vegas", "Las Vegas Convention Center", "Las Vegas Hilton"... Well, duh, what other city could I be in?

Speaking of announcements, they really give it to you. You get music, station announcements, monorail facts, nearby attractions, and advertising blared the whole way. I can imagine I would get tired of that soundtrack if I had to ride it every day.

Overall, a unique and memorable experience for someone who goes out of his way to ride all forms of public transit.

[the_traveler]

SanJoaquinRider, on Sun, Jan 31, 2010, 09:08 PM, said:

I was struck by the station names, with the exception of Convention Center, being named after commercial entities. Most transit systems have stops named after neighborhoods or streets. It would be like the NYC Subway having stops with names like Macy's, Sak's, Waldorf-Astoria etc.

I have never ridden it, but many of the street names in LV are also the names of the casinos on that street! Such as Tropicana, Flamingo, Desert Inn, Sands, Sahara, etc...!

[stlouielady]

And, of course, there are now streets named Dean Martin, Frank Sinatra, etc. When I lived there, those streets were there, but they were different names! The first time I went back after all the name changes, I was told to 'follow Dean Martin to the hotel'. I had no idea where I was going, until someone else told me 'the road used to be Industrial'; voila, no problem. Ah, memories...

[Alice]

SanJoaquinRider, on Sun, Jan 31, 2010, 06:08 PM, said:

My friend is a Nevada resident, so she was eligible to buy two monorail tickets for $1 each. Tourists pay $5 per ride or $15 for an all day pass.

What kind of documentation did your friend show to prove residency? This pricing system is like hotel taxes, soak the people who can't vote.