Here ya go again!Here ya go...
Correction - some with all bedrooms on the upper level. (There are roomettes on the lower level.)
Here ya go again!Here ya go...
I would bet that access bob was just thinking about the upper level. Also, the bottom level seems to look just like the bottom level of the Superliner except that there seems not to be a shower like in the SL, but rather a 4th bathroom instead!
sorry I was, although my plans for the deluxe sleeper shows an identical lower level including a shower.
So you're saying that I posted a sleeper diagram with abridge (pun intended - sorry)There is a shower on the lower level of the Deluxe Sleeper as it's still called, even though Amtrak no longer calls the larger bedroom a Deluxe bedroom.
The lower level of the Deluxe sleeper is identical in all ways to the lower level of any Superliner II sleeper. It's only the upper level that is different. There were originally six of these cars used exclusively by the Auto Train. Thanks to that bad derailment in Florida back in April of 2002, they're down to five now. They are the Palm Bay #32500, W. Graham Claytor, JR. #32502, A. Phillip Randolph #32503, Palm Harbor #32504, Palm Springs #32505.
The Palm Springs #35501 is still listed as wrecked and out of service. Considering how valuable these cars are to Amtrak and the number of years that it has been out of service, I'm betting that this car is beyond repair and just being used for parts before eventual scrapping.
Since the Auto Train runs on the same tracks that much longer freight trains operate, I'd think that this isn't the case.
The AT is the only long distance Amtrak train that covers its operating expenses, what they call avoidable costs. But once you factor in other overhead costs, what they call attributed costs; it still looses money, about $12 Million last year.
Freight trains often operate with over 100 cars, so there are no laws that would stop Amtrak. In fact local laws don't even apply to trains, freight or passenger. Trains operate under Federal law. Now specifically I'm not sure about the AT, but most freight RR's limit Amtrak to 30 car trains IIRC. Not sure if that rule grew out of the failed Express Trak freight business or if it existed even before Express Trak. It was that rule that lead to Amtrak's extending the Pennsylvanian to Chicago, since they couldn't move enough freight on the LSL and the Three Rivers. So they sent the Pennsy to Chicago as a way of getting another 20 or so roadrailers and box cars to Chicago.
I certainly don't order/buy railroad cars, but I would think that ordering just one, and order just six, isn't all that different. It isn't like with six, an assembly line would be set up. In other words, for just six, I would think that they would still be built, basically, one by one.
Yes, the cars would be built 1 by 1, but think about it. If you wanted to buy a new Edsel or Corvair (or any other car not made), I very much doubt that Ford or GM or Dodge or ... would redesign new tools and build a new plant and hire and train new workers - and still sell you ONE new car for $1,500!
Well, if you really want examples, Ford did exactly that for their 100 year anniversary model T's.Yes, the cars would be built 1 by 1, but think about it. If you wanted to buy a new Edsel or Corvair (or any other car not made), I very much doubt that Ford or GM or Dodge or ... would redesign new tools and build a new plant and hire and train new workers - and still sell you ONE new car for $1,500!
Don't forget, there are currently NO passenger car manufactures in the US! THEY would have to do all that to build Amtrak ONE new car! That's why Amtrak places an order for something like 25-40 cars (or more) at once.
Well, if you really want examples, Ford did exactly that for their 100 year anniversary model T's.Yes, the cars would be built 1 by 1, but think about it. If you wanted to buy a new Edsel or Corvair (or any other car not made), I very much doubt that Ford or GM or Dodge or ... would redesign new tools and build a new plant and hire and train new workers - and still sell you ONE new car for $1,500!
Don't forget, there are currently NO passenger car manufactures in the US! THEY would have to do all that to build Amtrak ONE new car! That's why Amtrak places an order for something like 25-40 cars (or more) at once.
And I thought it was mentioned by Alan that Amtrak placed an order for only SIX of these all-top-level bedroom cars, and not something like 25-40 of them as you claim.
Exactly, the six cars were part of the Superliner II order, not a seperate and special order.the Deluxe sleepers were part of a much larger order and were effectively only minor interior modifications to the existing car, it is the shell of the car and running gear that are expensive and must be tooled up for.Well, if you really want examples, Ford did exactly that for their 100 year anniversary model T's.Yes, the cars would be built 1 by 1, but think about it. If you wanted to buy a new Edsel or Corvair (or any other car not made), I very much doubt that Ford or GM or Dodge or ... would redesign new tools and build a new plant and hire and train new workers - and still sell you ONE new car for $1,500!
Don't forget, there are currently NO passenger car manufactures in the US! THEY would have to do all that to build Amtrak ONE new car! That's why Amtrak places an order for something like 25-40 cars (or more) at once.
And I thought it was mentioned by Alan that Amtrak placed an order for only SIX of these all-top-level bedroom cars, and not something like 25-40 of them as you claim.
Yes they are. They are mirrored (specifically the ones at the end) and therefore must be different.
