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#21 yarrow

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Posted 03 January 2007 - 09:07 PM

do amtrak employees get to ride amtrak for free?

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Posted 03 January 2007 - 09:18 PM

Here's the deal.

If a railroad employee was hired before May 1, 1971 and that railroad was part of the formation of Amtrak, then that employee may ride Amtrak for free on the employee's own line or for a 50% discount anywhere else. A railroad employee who was hired on or after May 1, 1971 and before April 27, 1981 can get a 25% discount off Amtrak travel. Everyone else is a peon like the rest of the unwashed masses and pays the going rate.

The prior to 1971 privilege is strictly limited to those who were employed by what then was an Amtrak participant. A current UP employee who worked for the UP or SP prior to May 1, 1971 is in. A present UP employee who, in 1971, worked for the WP (not an Amtrak participant) is out. And everone hired less than 25 years ago is out. In other words, you have to be pretty old and a lifer with one line to get a free or discounted ride.

Now that is not to say that a given Amtrak conductor would not look the other way as a courtesy to a brother in arms. Trains are not planes: there is no formal check in or seat count. I'm sure it happens all the time. But it is technically not allowed and could get someone slapped around by the powers to be if they get caught.

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Posted 03 January 2007 - 09:35 PM

I'm a retired ethics professor. I had a fake RR ID made up a few years ago. Works great. Thousands and thousands of dollars worth of travel for FREE! I've traveled all the long distance trains always in a sleeper at no charge. I always take breakfeast and lunch in the diner. Most times I have dinner brought to my bedroom.

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Posted 03 January 2007 - 10:00 PM

I'm a retired ethics professor.

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Posted 03 January 2007 - 10:00 PM

I'm a retired ethics professor. I had a fake RR ID made up a few years ago. Works great. Thousands and thousands of dollars worth of travel for FREE! I've traveled all the long distance trains always in a sleeper at no charge. I always take breakfeast and lunch in the diner. Most times I have dinner brought to my bedroom.


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Posted 03 January 2007 - 10:23 PM

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I'm a retired ethics professor. I had a fake RR ID made up a few years ago. Works great. Thousands and thousands of dollars worth of travel for FREE! I've traveled all the long distance trains always in a sleeper at no charge. I always take breakfeast and lunch in the diner. Most times I have dinner brought to my bedroom.



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Posted 04 January 2007 - 01:11 AM

Getting back to the topic at hand. I am pretty sure (but not 100%) that employees of a host railroad that a train runs over have rights to ride an Amtrak train for inspection purposes. When the employeee boards the train they just have to fill out an On Board Passenger record to show they were on the train. This is acceptable according to company policy, since the form has a check box for "Other Railroad Employee."

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Posted 10 January 2007 - 09:54 AM

Here's the deal.

If a railroad employee was hired before May 1, 1971 and that railroad was part of the formation of Amtrak, then that employee may ride Amtrak for free on the employee's own line or for a 50% discount anywhere else. A railroad employee who was hired on or after May 1, 1971 and before April 27, 1981 can get a 25% discount off Amtrak travel. Everyone else is a peon like the rest of the unwashed masses and pays the going rate.

The prior to 1971 privilege is strictly limited to those who were employed by what then was an Amtrak participant. A current UP employee who worked for the UP or SP prior to May 1, 1971 is in. A present UP employee who, in 1971, worked for the WP (not an Amtrak participant) is out. And everone hired less than 25 years ago is out. In other words, you have to be pretty old and a lifer with one line to get a free or discounted ride.

Now that is not to say that a given Amtrak conductor would not look the other way as a courtesy to a brother in arms. Trains are not planes: there is no formal check in or seat count. I'm sure it happens all the time. But it is technically not allowed and could get someone slapped around by the powers to be if they get caught.


Just a technicality. I hired out on the Texas & Pacific in 1968 which was taken over by the Missouri Pacific in the mid 70's. We eventually wound up with the UP in the mid 80's. The TP did not participate in the Amtrak formation but the Mighty MOP did. We were given pre-71 employee passes as if we had worked for the Missouri Pacific in 1971.

Edited by had8ley, 10 January 2007 - 09:56 AM.


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Posted 10 January 2007 - 04:14 PM


Here's the deal.

If a railroad employee was hired before May 1, 1971 and that railroad was part of the formation of Amtrak, then that employee may ride Amtrak for free on the employee's own line or for a 50% discount anywhere else. A railroad employee who was hired on or after May 1, 1971 and before April 27, 1981 can get a 25% discount off Amtrak travel. Everyone else is a peon like the rest of the unwashed masses and pays the going rate.

The prior to 1971 privilege is strictly limited to those who were employed by what then was an Amtrak participant. A current UP employee who worked for the UP or SP prior to May 1, 1971 is in. A present UP employee who, in 1971, worked for the WP (not an Amtrak participant) is out. And everone hired less than 25 years ago is out. In other words, you have to be pretty old and a lifer with one line to get a free or discounted ride.

Now that is not to say that a given Amtrak conductor would not look the other way as a courtesy to a brother in arms. Trains are not planes: there is no formal check in or seat count. I'm sure it happens all the time. But it is technically not allowed and could get someone slapped around by the powers to be if they get caught.


Just a technicality. I hired out on the Texas & Pacific in 1968 which was taken over by the Missouri Pacific in the mid 70's. We eventually wound up with the UP in the mid 80's. The TP did not participate in the Amtrak formation but the Mighty MOP did. We were given pre-71 employee passes as if we had worked for the Missouri Pacific in 1971.

Just out of curiosity, are you still using those passes?

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Posted 10 January 2007 - 08:21 PM



Here's the deal.

If a railroad employee was hired before May 1, 1971 and that railroad was part of the formation of Amtrak, then that employee may ride Amtrak for free on the employee's own line or for a 50% discount anywhere else. A railroad employee who was hired on or after May 1, 1971 and before April 27, 1981 can get a 25% discount off Amtrak travel. Everyone else is a peon like the rest of the unwashed masses and pays the going rate.

The prior to 1971 privilege is strictly limited to those who were employed by what then was an Amtrak participant. A current UP employee who worked for the UP or SP prior to May 1, 1971 is in. A present UP employee who, in 1971, worked for the WP (not an Amtrak participant) is out. And everone hired less than 25 years ago is out. In other words, you have to be pretty old and a lifer with one line to get a free or discounted ride.

Now that is not to say that a given Amtrak conductor would not look the other way as a courtesy to a brother in arms. Trains are not planes: there is no formal check in or seat count. I'm sure it happens all the time. But it is technically not allowed and could get someone slapped around by the powers to be if they get caught.


Just a technicality. I hired out on the Texas & Pacific in 1968 which was taken over by the Missouri Pacific in the mid 70's. We eventually wound up with the UP in the mid 80's. The TP did not participate in the Amtrak formation but the Mighty MOP did. We were given pre-71 employee passes as if we had worked for the Missouri Pacific in 1971.

Just out of curiosity, are you still using those passes?



To be totally honest, yes. And the last time I used it (at Thanksgiving) they asked me if my son was travelling with me. He's 30 and should have lost his pass priviliges eons ago. I rarely use it as I have existed on Rail Sale, e-bay sales (now defunct) and travel vouchers for over the past few years but use the pass in a pinch. Worst part of having the pass is that you can't make a reservation until 24 hours befrore train time. And you only get 50% off the highest fare. With the discount codes I've come out way ahead both price wise and have the ability to make a reservation well in advance.

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Posted 11 January 2007 - 12:49 AM

Some fascinating stuff:

http://www.usdoj.gov...84/sg840103.txt

So here's a question - I know a guy who hired out with the IC in the mid '70s, then with the GT after '81. He had a non-public law RTPC as an IC employee which he then traded in for an RTPC under GT, by virtue of his IC hire date. He is not retired - he has since worked for two Class I railroads and is presently an employee of one. His card expired in '88 - can he apply to have this renewed even though he no longer works for either of those roads (are those non-public law privileges still preserved), or not?

Thanks :)

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Posted 11 January 2007 - 09:54 AM

To be perfectly honest with my fellow list members the benefits derived from having a pre-71 employee pass are almost non-existant. My home road is listed as the Missouri Pacific which means I can ride the Texas Eagle from St. Louis to San Antonio 12 times per year free. Living near New Orleans, and knowing that The Texas Eagle starts out of New Orleans as The City, does not give much incentive to drive all the way to Longview, Texas in order to board. Any other trip is allowed with a 24 hour MAXIMUM in advance reservation and you pay half the highest bucket. I'd rather hunt for the bargains and travel as any other passenger. They used to stamp your ticket "Special" when you used your pass (maybe Rafi can tell us if they still do so.) This was good in some situations and not so good in others. I was asked a couple of times to give up a sleeping space for "full fare" passengers who wanted to upgrade on board. (Didn't make much sense to me as I paid half the highest bucket and they were paying half the lowest bucket.) Yes, I had a reservation and paid half of the highest bucket but the conductor "thought" I needed to give up the space. I've yet to find any info that pertains to this. I do know that pass riders are asked to give up seats in coach when a non-reserved train is oversold. Maybe George or Alan have some info on this.

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Posted 07 September 2009 - 12:50 PM

I ride the Keystone service 5 days a week Phila to ELT. Many Amtrak employees work in offices at 30th St Station in Phila. Many of them ride the same trains that I do. They all seem to get a free ride by showing their employee IDs. I've sat next to an Amtrak employee lots of times and in more than 5 yrs never seen one use a ticket. Ours is a nonreserved train on the part of the route in PA, so they do get up and stand if there are paying passengers without seats. But that is rare except around holidays.

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Posted 07 September 2009 - 02:50 PM

by the way, its a professional courtesy that I am trying to find out if it exists as I am an employee (conductor) on another adjacent railroad and its no different than cops showing their badges to get out of a traffic ticket.

Professional courtesy? Here's a wikipedia entry; "corrupt practice by law enforcement officers of not reporting each other for what they consider to be minor violations". Interesting that you should equate conductors' mutual favors with illegal police activity.

You'd have sounded better using this explanation; "Professional courtesy, the practice among many physicians and other professionals of providing free or discounted services to their fellow professionals, their employees and to others, has long been a respected tradition". From the Physician's News Digest.
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Posted 07 September 2009 - 03:02 PM

Hmm.. I wonder Petaluma, that's a guest from two years ago. Think he's gonna come back to reply to your argument? :lol:

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Posted 07 September 2009 - 03:07 PM

Hmm.. I wonder Petaluma, that's a guest from two years ago. Think he's gonna come back to reply to your argument? :lol:

Nah, I think I'm pretty safe. I made a good point though! :P

Hey, blame SueB, she resurrected it!
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Posted 07 September 2009 - 03:09 PM

Hmm.. I wonder Petaluma, that's a guest from two years ago. Think he's gonna come back to reply to your argument? :lol:

Nah, I think I'm pretty safe. I made a good point though! :P

Hey, blame SueB, she resurrected it!


Actually she didn't, a blank guest post did-- it seems to have been deleted.

Hey, maybe it was the same guest who posted about law enforcement persons flashing badges!

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Posted 07 September 2009 - 03:34 PM

For what its worth, sometimes the conductor allows servicemen to ride for free. Two years ago while I was in SubSchool in Groton, a buddy of mine and I rode the train down to New York City in our whites. We bought our tickets in New London but they were never lifted from us, the conductor just asked us where we were going and gave us two seat checks. Also earlier this year, when I was riding the train back to Virginia from NJ, a solider was sitting a couple of rows in front of me and the conductor did pretty much the same thing for him that he did for my buddy and I two years ago. He simply asked him where he was going and gave him a seat check without ever lifting a ticket. Having said that, I was not aware that the conductor allowing free rides could cost him his job. That seems like a mighty big penalty to pay for extending a courtesy.
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Posted 07 September 2009 - 03:36 PM

I was kind of glad this came up. The NJT transit employee I know well says he rides amtrak for free all the time. To get from Trenton to Newark when the job is called for. He says its faster and his boss actually encourages he use amtrak. He also has used his ID to go to boston and back. I didn't realize this wasn't the norm..
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Posted 07 September 2009 - 06:29 PM

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the practice if it takes place is probably less frowned upon on the Northeast Corridor and other high-density routes where taking up one seat won't necessarily cut into revenue-passenger capability. I will admit I have absolute no idea about a practice such as this.
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