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Posted 05 October 2018 - 12:13 PM

I've never thought about bringing a GPS along. I might have to do that next time.
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Posted 05 October 2018 - 12:38 PM

I've never thought about bringing a GPS along. I might have to do that next time.

First make sure that the airline that you are flying, allows them. Not all airlines allow them.



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Posted 05 October 2018 - 12:38 PM

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Posted 05 October 2018 - 12:44 PM

 

I've never thought about bringing a GPS along. I might have to do that next time.

First make sure that the airline that you are flying, allows them. Not all airlines allow them.

 

I am somewhat surprised that they are allowed...I had thought that all devices that contained any sort of 'radio' within were banned in flight.

Of course, that becomes hard to define or enforce...what about bluetooth earpieces?  Or wireless mouses...or radio set, wristwatches?  The latter example cannot even be 'turned off'.... :unsure:


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Posted 05 October 2018 - 12:54 PM

WiFi is almost universally allowed above 10,000' these days. Indeed for many airlines, a significant part of the IFE system depends on it. Bluetooth Headphones seem to be allowed even during takeoff and landing these days. I have never seen anyone being asked to turn their wireless headphone off.

 

These are all transmitters that are allowed. GPS is only a receiver. No transmission whatsoever from the units unless they are using WiFi or Bluetooth for something.


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Posted 05 October 2018 - 12:56 PM

 

 

I've never thought about bringing a GPS along. I might have to do that next time.

First make sure that the airline that you are flying, allows them. Not all airlines allow them.

 

I am somewhat surprised that they are allowed...I had thought that all devices that contained any sort of 'radio' within were banned in flight.

Of course, that becomes hard to define or enforce...what about bluetooth earpieces?  Or wireless mouses...or radio set, wristwatches?  The latter example cannot even be 'turned off'.... :unsure:

 

GPS actually will not interfere with flight electronics, because it is receive only, unlike cellular.
 

EDIT: Sorry, just saw that jis beat me to it.


Edited by cpotisch, 05 October 2018 - 12:56 PM.

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Posted 05 October 2018 - 01:04 PM

But radio's and television's are also banned in flight because even though they only 'receive', they do have superheterodyne circuit's that generate RF signal's that allegedly can interfere with air navigation.   

 

I have always wanted to use my scanner in flight, to monitor ATC, but those are banned.   The only way to get around that, would be to find an antique crystal radio set, and have it tuned to the ATC frequency.   Those do not generate any RF signal, but even if you found one, good luck trying to convince the flight crew of that.... :rolleyes:


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Posted 05 October 2018 - 01:08 PM

I was carrying my Garmin GPS on flights 12 or 13 years ago and never a problem. The one on my Smart Phone is much better now....and the IFE one is better than that with the constant read-out of additional flight info.

Airlines that approve or disapprove of inflight GPS (a bit outdated)

http://www.gpsinform...rgps/airgps.htm

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Posted 05 October 2018 - 01:21 PM

Do GPS receivers use Superhet? I suspect that the pure digital receivers do not. All that they do is convert the received signal to digital form and then do all the demodulation etc. in DSPs. But I am a bit rusty in this area, so I may be wrong.

 

Coming to think of it, any digital receiver as in a software defined radio would not suffer from the stray transmission that is inherent in superhet I suppose. No?



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Posted 05 October 2018 - 01:57 PM

Do GPS receivers use Superhet? I suspect that the pure digital receivers do not. All that they do is convert the received signal to digital form and then do all the demodulation etc. in DSPs. But I am a bit rusty in this area, so I may be wrong.

 

Coming to think of it, any digital receiver as in a software defined radio would not suffer from the stray transmission that is inherent in superhet I suppose. No?

I don't know...sounds like you know more about it than I do....but if they don't generate any RF, why do some airlines ban them anyway?   Or is it more of a "security", than radio interference issue?


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Posted 05 October 2018 - 02:11 PM

 

Do GPS receivers use Superhet? I suspect that the pure digital receivers do not. All that they do is convert the received signal to digital form and then do all the demodulation etc. in DSPs. But I am a bit rusty in this area, so I may be wrong.

 

Coming to think of it, any digital receiver as in a software defined radio would not suffer from the stray transmission that is inherent in superhet I suppose. No?

I don't know...sounds like you know more about it than I do....but if they don't generate any RF, why do some airlines ban them anyway?   Or is it more of a "security", than radio interference issue?

 

Residual analism? :giggle:



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Posted 05 October 2018 - 03:13 PM

One can build a modern crystal radio, no problems. Tuning it to ATC would be a major problem, as there is little selectivity or rejection of adjacent channel signals. Hanging a wire antenna out of the plane window might be problematic too! :D

 

I note that aircraft ATC still use AM transmissions, I wonder why that is, most modern systems would be FM or digital?

 

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Posted 05 October 2018 - 06:19 PM

I note that aircraft ATC still use AM transmissions, I wonder why that is, most modern systems would be FM or digital?


It would require a worldwide ground-up reboot of the civil ATC comm system, which hasn't happened since the 1930s. Frequency allocations have been expanded and channels have been added and narrowed, but a change to entirely new technology would be a massive undertaking...and expense.


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Posted 05 October 2018 - 06:22 PM

Was just on this route Monday. Of course, the CRJ900 didn't have the "shoulder room" of the A330, but at least Row 1 had plenty of leg room.

 

The Fall Colors are nearly at their peak in the Annapolis Valley right now.  Makes for a very beautiful drive going down 101... Which, unfortunately, we're doing daily visiting the hospital in Kentville.

 

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Posted 05 October 2018 - 06:22 PM

One of the most interesting airplane window views that I have had was on a Delta Buenos Aires-Atlanta flight.  Being awakened when the interior lights began to brighten, I looked at the in-flight map (which I always keep on, if it is available), and I saw we were just East of Orlando.  Raising the shade, the very large metro area of Orlando was alight!  Never realized how much territory metro Orlando covered!



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Posted 05 October 2018 - 10:47 PM

 

I note that aircraft ATC still use AM transmissions, I wonder why that is, most modern systems would be FM or digital?


It would require a worldwide ground-up reboot of the civil ATC comm system, which hasn't happened since the 1930s. Frequency allocations have been expanded and channels have been added and narrowed, but a change to entirely new technology would be a massive undertaking...and expense.

 

There are some more explanation's (or opinion's) over here...  https://www.airliner...c.php?t=1357995

and here  https://www.pilotsof...adios-am.13841/


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