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Posted 06 September 2018 - 07:28 AM

When did it transition from a marketing organization for CN passenger services to a rail passenger operator?

When did CP service officially come under VIA Rail operations? 

Dates please--month & year!

[I know it was generally in the 1976-78 timeframe.]


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Posted 06 September 2018 - 08:02 AM

Should be 1978 if in fact this year is their fortieth anniversary they are celebrating.
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Posted 06 September 2018 - 08:33 AM

 

 

On January 12, 1977, CN spun off its passenger services as a separate Crown corporation, Via Rail Canada.

 

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Posted 06 September 2018 - 06:44 PM

And on Oct. 29, 1978, VIA took over CP rail's operations, which is apparently the date it is marking as its origin. 



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Posted 06 September 2018 - 07:31 PM

Curious as to why they did it that way...

It would be like Amtrak not "starting" until they took over the Southern Crescent or the Rio Grande Zephyr....sort of... :unsure:


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Posted 06 September 2018 - 09:31 PM

Took my first non-Amtrak trip in Canada in the fall of 1977.   VIA schedules and literature had been printed up.

I got some of my tickets from CN through a travel agent in Houston before I left the States.

I had to mail off to get my CP tickets.  They did not show up in my mail box until the day before I flew to Toronto.  

Close call on that one!


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Posted 06 September 2018 - 09:40 PM

Curious as to why they did it that way...

It would be like Amtrak not "starting" until they took over the Southern Crescent or the Rio Grande Zephyr....sort of... :unsure:

 

I think because before taking over the CP trains, VIA was considered just a subsidiary of CN. 


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Posted 06 September 2018 - 09:46 PM

 

Curious as to why they did it that way...

It would be like Amtrak not "starting" until they took over the Southern Crescent or the Rio Grande Zephyr....sort of... :unsure:

 

I think because before taking over the CP trains, VIA was considered just a subsidiary of CN. 

 

Okay...that makes sense...


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Posted 07 September 2018 - 12:53 AM

Yeah...IIRC, VIA was originally the passenger marketing department for CN.  CP was receiving subsidies to run its trains (90% of cash losses were reimbursed by the government).  CP ultimately chose to throw in the towel and asked for the government to take over the pax trains, so they all went under VIA Rail (which got spun off from CN as a result).  This is also, IIRC, why VIA is basically stuck using current/former CN/CP tracks (not unlike how Amtrak didn't have automatic access to ex-Rock Island tracks or to the FEC...Rock Island discontinued their trains without joining Amtrak while FEC had already discontinued service a few years prior amid a major strike).


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Posted 07 September 2018 - 10:25 AM

.  This is also, IIRC, why VIA is basically stuck using current/former CN/CP tracks (not unlike how Amtrak didn't have automatic access to ex-Rock Island tracks or to the FEC...Rock Island discontinued their trains without joining Amtrak while FEC had already discontinued service a few years prior amid a major strike).

Besides the CN and CP lines, there isn't much else in Canada that VIA Rail could or would operate over....perhaps Algoma Central, but not likely...

BC Rail and ONR were already government owned when VIA Rail was created.  QNS&L...forget about it...


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Posted 07 September 2018 - 01:31 PM

After VIA Rail Canada was formed.....CN continued to operate the Roadcruiser Buses and narrow-gauge Mixed Trains in Newfoundland. The mixeds came off in 1988 with the abandonment of the railway but the bus service continued under CN until it was sold to DRL in 1996......and still operates today; http://drl-lr.com/schedule-and-fares/

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Posted 07 September 2018 - 03:16 PM

After VIA Rail Canada was formed.....CN continued to operate the Roadcruiser Buses and narrow-gauge Mixed Trains in Newfoundland. The mixeds came off in 1988 with the abandonment of the railway but the bus service continued under CN until it was sold to DRL in 1996......and still operates today; http://drl-lr.com/schedule-and-fares/

Down to one local a day?   IIRC, they used to run 3 locals and one "expedo" in the summer time, including one overnite trip.   They used to stop for lunch at the Gander Airport restaurant, made famous by the musical play, "Come From Away"....


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Posted 07 September 2018 - 05:50 PM

Down to one local a day?   IIRC, they used to run 3 locals and one "expedo" in the summer time, including one overnite trip.   They used to stop for lunch at the Gander Airport restaurant, made famous by the musical play, "Come From Away"....



It's been one bus a day each way since the mid '90s. Here's a DRL run during at meal stop at Gander Airport:

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But go back to the mid '70s and several a day including the Expedo at Port-aux-Basques....waiting for a connection with the overnight CN Ferry from Nova Scotia

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Posted 07 September 2018 - 07:10 PM

Nice shots, thanks for posting...


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