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Posted 11 August 2018 - 02:27 PM

Everyone seen this story?   Incredible how he managed to pull the chocks, start it up, taxi and take off...

Suppose he learned a few things on his job, and the rest on internet flight simulators...

 

https://abcnews.go.c...ory?id=57141064


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Posted 11 August 2018 - 02:41 PM

Well that's the kind of thing you don't hear about every day.  :huh:


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Posted 11 August 2018 - 03:27 PM

Everyone seen this story?   Incredible how he managed to pull the chocks, start it up, taxi and take off...
Suppose he learned a few things on his job, and the rest on internet flight simulators...
 
https://abcnews.go.c...ory?id=57141064


Unfortunately for him he didn't learn how to land.
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Posted 11 August 2018 - 03:33 PM

 

 

Airline officials said they are not sure how the ground services worker learned to operate a plane, much less perform flying stunts.

Taking off and doing barrel rolls is pretty basic. If you have a consumer grade flight sim or even watch some basic flight tutorial videos, it won't take long before you can pull that stuff off. My point is, it's much more impressive and surprising that he was able to get into the plane and get it rolling than the fact that he was able to do some basic flying.


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Posted 11 August 2018 - 03:36 PM

Everyone seen this story?   Incredible how he managed to pull the chocks, start it up, taxi and take off...
Suppose he learned a few things on his job, and the rest on internet flight simulators...
 
https://abcnews.go.c...ory?id=57141064

Unfortunately for him he didn't learn how to land.
I think I heard speculation on the news this morning that he was planning his suicide and this was how he wanted his life to end.

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Posted 11 August 2018 - 06:24 PM

It's gone viral Worldwide!

I'm never flown a Jet, but that looks like some fancy flying to me!

Just like the 911 Maniac Pilots,Landing wasn't part of the plan!😣
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Posted 11 August 2018 - 07:03 PM

It's gone viral Worldwide!

I'm never flown a Jet, but that looks like some fancy flying to me!

Just like the 911 Maniac Pilots,Landing wasn't part of the plan!

That's not a jet. The Q400 is a turboprop. Fortunately it doesn't sound like this guy was trying to hurt or kill anyone like most other hijackers. Obviously it was a terrible idea and the guy died and destroyed a plane, but at least no one else got hurt and no other property was destroyed.


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Posted 11 August 2018 - 07:37 PM

Not to get nitpicky, but a turboprop is a jet. It just happens to use the jet engines to turn the props, as opposed to a piston engine. Q-400 is a pretty decent size plane, Only ones I've seen around here are Porter Airlines Newark to Toronto/Bishop, but its predecessor Dash - 8 is not uncommon at all.



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Posted 11 August 2018 - 08:56 PM

We in the industry would refer to the Q400 as a turbine, not as a jet.

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Posted 11 August 2018 - 09:42 PM

That's reasonable, the airflow isn't providing the propulsion directly. Years ago, the term prop-jet was very common, not so much today.


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Posted 11 August 2018 - 09:54 PM

Sorry bout that, the resolution on the video wasn't good on my phone and I thought he was in a Jet!( not familiar with the type)

Still some fancy flying for a novice!😉
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Posted 11 August 2018 - 11:40 PM

We in the industry would refer to the Q400 as a turbine, not as a jet.

 

I've never heard anyone outside the industry refer to turboprops as jets either.  Well until now anyway.  That being said I have heard hundreds of laypeople refer to turbofans as jets.  I don't know if that's considered accurate or not but everyone seems to be on the same page about it so maybe it doesn't matter.


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Posted 12 August 2018 - 12:31 AM

So now, this will create a whole new can of worms for aircraft operating area security procedures, in an effort to prevent any recurrence's.   They require a lengthy background check for all ground worker's to access the area, but perhaps they will add psyche evaluation's as well...

Not sure if this guy would have been detected that way or not, as he sounded depressed, but otherwise sane.   Perhaps some system of tighter aircraft security, with no access by less than two people at a time, or something like that... :unsure:


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Posted 12 August 2018 - 08:51 AM

Not to get nitpicky, but a turboprop is a jet. It just happens to use the jet engines to turn the props, as opposed to a piston engine. Q-400 is a pretty decent size plane, Only ones I've seen around here are Porter Airlines Newark to Toronto/Bishop, but its predecessor Dash - 8 is not uncommon at all.

Firstly, American Eagle (Piedmont Airlines) and United Express (CommutAir) recently lost all their Dash 8s, which is a real shame, since I loved riding in the nine row, 37 seat Q200 a couple years ago. Now Porter is the last operator in the country, and Air Canada Jazz is the only other operator on the continent running them.

 

Secondly, while turboprops and jets are the same under the hood, with a jet, almost all of the thrust is from the exhaust. The fan just brings the air in to "be exploded". With a turboprop (and of course with regular piston props), the thrust comes from the propeller. This is why all prop engines are measured in horsepower and all jets are measured in pounds of thrust.


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Posted 12 August 2018 - 09:22 AM

Even the 50 seat RJs seem to be fading fading pretty fast. 



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Posted 12 August 2018 - 09:31 AM

So now, this will create a whole new can of worms for aircraft operating area security procedures, in an effort to prevent any recurrence's.   They require a lengthy background check for all ground worker's to access the area, but perhaps they will add psyche evaluation's as well...
Not sure if this guy would have been detected that way or not, as he sounded depressed, but otherwise sane.   Perhaps some system of tighter aircraft security, with no access by less than two people at a time, or something like that... :unsure:

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Edited by Bob Dylan, 13 August 2018 - 07:24 PM.

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Posted 12 August 2018 - 09:58 AM

Even the 50 seat RJs seem to be fading fading pretty fast. 

You talking about the CRJ? Because I would disagree. I see the -100s and -200s all over the place. They seem to be just as common as they've always been.


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Posted 12 August 2018 - 10:27 AM

I believe AA is pretty well getting rid of all its smaller, 37 and 44 seat ERJ's...


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Posted 12 August 2018 - 10:33 AM

You still see them all over the place because there were so many. AA went from over 200 ERJ 145 to around 80 last year Now 80 is not a small number, but they got rid of loads. Delta also. They are adding more larger RJs (E-170/175) and CRJ-700 and 900 wherever possible as contracts expire or at wholly owned subsidiaries.United a little slower, but catching up. Also, airlines may fly planes on certain routes where they make sense but eliminate them in lots of other places. I have seen plenty at both JFK and LGA, but not as many as a few years ago.



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Posted 12 August 2018 - 10:36 AM

With traffic picking up, airlines upsize their RJ fleets as their "scope clauses" permit. It's simple economics. 






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