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#21 cpotisch

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Posted 16 August 2018 - 06:22 PM

I'm sure the average reader would appreciate the 4,400 vs. 4,000 horsepower question as well as the extremely complicated relationship between Brightline, FEC Industries, FEC railroad and various holding companies. Face it, folks, the average reader cares nothing about such details, only railfans obsess about them. 

So you're logic is that since a lot of people won't care, there's no point in getting facts right? While the horsepower thing really isn't important, a lot of the stuff about ownership of Brightline and FEC, and who controls them, is pretty important. Ignorance of the reader doesn't justify ignorance of the writer.


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Posted 16 August 2018 - 10:56 PM

 

Ignorance of the reader doesn't justify ignorance of the writer.

 

 

Ignorance of the reader may, however, be a direct result of the ignorance of the writer.


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Posted 17 August 2018 - 10:55 AM

I just try to point out where an article's content is not aligned with the currently known facts. I am somewhat bemused to see how many people seem to think that this is an affront to humanity or something. :wacko:


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Posted 17 August 2018 - 05:10 PM

https://www.npr.org/..._medium=twitter

 

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Posted 18 August 2018 - 08:51 AM

https://www.npr.org/..._medium=twitter
 
Most people in positions of power have their snout in some trough. The trick is to make sure that they have their snout in the trough that you care about, so that they keep feeding the trough in the hope that ever larger portions would arrive at their snout. In a manner of speaking of course ... :hi: .


Florida Gov. Rick Scott Has Convoluted Ties To Rail Company Whose Project He Supports


Rick Scott and his wife are invested in a portion of the parent of the Brightline group. So turning down the federal funded higher speed grants result in his family potential of a indirect profit.

Nice how disclosure forms only require you to check more than a million dollars invested. So you dont have true transparency.

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Posted 18 August 2018 - 12:03 PM

At the time Scott turned down the funds, Brightline was probably not anything more than an idea in someone's mind. So whatever the reasoning for turning down the funds, this probably wasn't it. Now if Florida was on the hook for cost overruns (and HSR projects have a distressing habit of overruns that start with a B), it might have made more sense.

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Posted 18 August 2018 - 06:09 PM

At the time Scott turned down the funds, Brightline was probably not anything more than an idea in someone's mind. So whatever the reasoning for turning down the funds, this probably wasn't it. Now if Florida was on the hook for cost overruns (and HSR projects have a distressing habit of overruns that start with a B), it might have made more sense.


AAF might not have been announced until 2012, but FECI certainly laid the groundwork starting in 2007 when they spun the FEC Railway into a separate company while also retaining rights to run a passenger railroad between Miami and Jacksonville.

Speaking of overruns, remember when AAF was first announced as a $1 bn project to open in 2014?

It is interesting that Scott turned down the HSR funds, which studies showed would recover operating costs, but approved a commuter railroad even though it falls significantly short of breaking even.

In reality, the likely reason for Scott rejecting the funds had more to do with obstructing Obama. Senator Mitch McConnell even said Republicans will do everything they can to obstruct the President. Besides, it is not like the Federal funds went back to the treasury. They were redistributed to other projects.

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Posted 19 August 2018 - 10:44 AM

He probably invested in Fires before they bought FECI. It's not uncommon for bazillionaires to be highly diversified.

Besides, as an investor, he's more likely to lose his own money.

Heck, there's probably some Fortress in portfolio. Can I not run for any office? Can I not do what's best and makes sense for taxpayers?
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Posted 19 August 2018 - 01:09 PM

Its a conflict of interest that his administration is responsible for approving a project that he will benefit from financially.

And how can you argue this makes sense for taxpayers? He approved SunRail, despite it not coming close to recovering operating costs.

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Posted 19 August 2018 - 01:15 PM

He and everyone else also approve scads of highway construction that will never come close to recovering costs. So what?



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Posted 19 August 2018 - 02:15 PM

 

I'm sure the average reader would appreciate the 4,400 vs. 4,000 horsepower question as well as the extremely complicated relationship between Brightline, FEC Industries, FEC railroad and various holding companies. Face it, folks, the average reader cares nothing about such details, only railfans obsess about them. 

So you're logic is that since a lot of people won't care, there's no point in getting facts right? While the horsepower thing really isn't important, a lot of the stuff about ownership of Brightline and FEC, and who controls them, is pretty important. Ignorance of the reader doesn't justify ignorance of the writer.

 

Then again, is there enough interest by the publisher in printing those errors and their correction. While print media generally print a fix, it is often a small mention in an obscure place with little reference to the original for anyone to remember it. I'd say it's probably more useful to get such facts done correctly up front or, at least, make future articles correct unless the information is significant.



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Posted 19 August 2018 - 02:29 PM

 

 

I'm sure the average reader would appreciate the 4,400 vs. 4,000 horsepower question as well as the extremely complicated relationship between Brightline, FEC Industries, FEC railroad and various holding companies. Face it, folks, the average reader cares nothing about such details, only railfans obsess about them. 

So you're logic is that since a lot of people won't care, there's no point in getting facts right? While the horsepower thing really isn't important, a lot of the stuff about ownership of Brightline and FEC, and who controls them, is pretty important. Ignorance of the reader doesn't justify ignorance of the writer.

 

Then again, is there enough interest by the publisher in printing those errors and their correction. While print media generally print a fix, it is often a small mention in an obscure place with little reference to the original for anyone to remember it. I'd say it's probably more useful to get such facts done correctly up front or, at least, make future articles correct unless the information is significant.

 

This was a digital article anyway, so making changes to correct falsehoods costs nothing.


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Posted 20 August 2018 - 01:18 PM

Its a conflict of interest that his administration is responsible for approving a project that he will benefit from financially.

And how can you argue this makes sense for taxpayers? He approved SunRail, despite it not coming close to recovering operating costs.

If it were a direct investment, the case could possibly be made. But the way our government was set up was not to have lifelong politicians without any conflict of interest in the private economy. Rather, it was intended to be a "part time" job for those in the private sector to be servants to the public for a limited period of time, then return to their practice.

It would be categorically impossible to remove every politician from every potential or actual conflict of interest.

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Posted 20 August 2018 - 03:00 PM

FEC is owned by Fortress, but that does not mean that FEC is major part of Fortress.  Fortress has about $36 billion of assets under management. Their entire transportation portfolio is about $1 billion - 3% of the total assets. I'm not sure the dots connect from an investment in Fortress and conflict of interest with Brightline and FEC.


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Posted 20 August 2018 - 04:01 PM

I think the newspapers attempt to paint the Frotress Investment Portfolio connection as a conflict of interest is complete BS. The earlier cancellation was pure politics. The later acceptance and eventual enthusiasm was the result of Brightline managing its political relationships and PR well and has little to do with Fortress investment. As PRR says, FECI is a rather small part of Fortress and that too disconnected from the specific portfolio in question, for it to have any material impact on the Governor’s riches. Heaven knows he has created way more havoc elsewhere for people to get hung up on this one
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Posted 20 August 2018 - 06:04 PM

Rick Scott made his Fortune as a Health Care Criminal, served as a So/So Governor of Florida, and is now running for the Senate so he can get to Sodom on the Potomac where the real Big Bucks are made!

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Posted 20 August 2018 - 07:38 PM

 

 

 

I'm sure the average reader would appreciate the 4,400 vs. 4,000 horsepower question as well as the extremely complicated relationship between Brightline, FEC Industries, FEC railroad and various holding companies. Face it, folks, the average reader cares nothing about such details, only railfans obsess about them. 

So you're logic is that since a lot of people won't care, there's no point in getting facts right? While the horsepower thing really isn't important, a lot of the stuff about ownership of Brightline and FEC, and who controls them, is pretty important. Ignorance of the reader doesn't justify ignorance of the writer.

 

Then again, is there enough interest by the publisher in printing those errors and their correction. While print media generally print a fix, it is often a small mention in an obscure place with little reference to the original for anyone to remember it. I'd say it's probably more useful to get such facts done correctly up front or, at least, make future articles correct unless the information is significant.

 

This was a digital article anyway, so making changes to correct falsehoods costs nothing.

 

Not true. No printing costs but most of the time (and money) is in the editing (by the reporter) and editing (by the editor) along with any other approvals as well as the time cost of posting which itself has to be edited and approved.

 

Whether it's a new article or a rewritten one, it's not "costs nothing".


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