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Posted 08 August 2018 - 03:47 PM

Wait, how did the "Continental Limited" get from Toronto to Montreal in about four hours? Doesn't the Ocean take about a day to do a similar trip?


I don't know about the first one probably faster running. But the second one the Ocean terminates in Montreal and doesn't go any further.
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Posted 08 August 2018 - 04:17 PM

Wait, how did the "Continental Limited" get from Toronto to Montreal in about four hours?


Are you looking at the boldface running times on the second page? Look at the actual schedule instead (and the map at the top) -- there were separate Montreal and Toronto sections that combined at Capreol, Ontario.
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Posted 08 August 2018 - 04:26 PM

 

Wait, how did the "Continental Limited" get from Toronto to Montreal in about four hours?


Are you looking at the boldface running times on the second page? Look at the actual schedule instead (and the map at the top) -- there were separate Montreal and Toronto sections that combined at Capreol, Ontario.

 

Thanks. I saw the running times on page 2 and the description that it runs "Montreal - Ottawa - Toronto - ... - Vancouver", so assumed it was one train running the whole route.


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Posted 16 August 2018 - 12:03 AM

Wait, how did the "Continental Limited" get from Toronto to Montreal in about four hours? Doesn't the Ocean take about a day to do a similar trip?

I don't know about the first one probably faster running. But the second one the Ocean terminates in Montreal and doesn't go any further.
Also, some VIA corridor trains do run Montreal to Toronto in under five hours.
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Posted 16 August 2018 - 07:35 AM

 

 

Wait, how did the "Continental Limited" get from Toronto to Montreal in about four hours? Doesn't the Ocean take about a day to do a similar trip?

I don't know about the first one probably faster running. But the second one the Ocean terminates in Montreal and doesn't go any further.
Also, some VIA corridor trains do run Montreal to Toronto in under five hours.

 

The Turbo Train ran it in 3 hours, 59 minutes.    https://www.mtlblog....to-luxury-train


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Posted 16 August 2018 - 10:58 AM

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Edited by cpotisch, 16 August 2018 - 11:12 AM.

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Posted 16 August 2018 - 12:02 PM

The Turbo Train ran it in 3 hours, 59 minutes.    https://www.mtlblog....to-luxury-train


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Posted 16 August 2018 - 12:55 PM

Was noise a factor?  I know that freight turbine engines (the UP's "Big Blows") were hugely noisy, such that they didn't operate them at all in urban areas.  They were pretty much restricted to the more remote sections of the Overland Route (Wyoming, Nebraska, etc).


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Posted 17 August 2018 - 12:30 AM

I didn't find riding in the dome power car very noisy, at all...no noisier than say a Budd RDC.  The turbine engine sound was greatly muted, and probably no louder than the 'whoosh' of air-conditioning in an Amfleet coach.    They had the best railfan seats on rails...you could sit directly behind the engineer, or fireman, and see thru the glass panel right over their shoulder, and on thru the windshield... :cool:


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Posted 17 August 2018 - 06:09 AM

....... They had the best railfan seats on rails...you could sit directly behind the engineer, or fireman, and see thru the glass panel right over their shoulder, and on thru the windshield... :cool:


Riding Amtrak's Turbo under the old New Haven catenary through Connecticut...and outside, I don't recall the Turbine noise to be any louder than a HEP unit. Perhaps quieter.

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Posted 17 August 2018 - 08:01 AM

Actually, I should have disclosed in my post, that was where I rode them--on the Penn Central though, a couple of years before Amtrak even existed.  They made the run from Back Bay Station to Grand Central Terminal in I believe, 3 hours and 55 minutes, over a fairly poor right-of-way.   They were capable of 160 mph, but could not get anywhere near that on that line.   They did reach that when tested between New Brunswick and Trenton...


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Posted 17 August 2018 - 09:44 AM

Here's the Penn Central Timetable from Back Bay to GCT

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Posted 17 August 2018 - 03:36 PM

So...it was only 3 hours, 39 minutes on some trains...my memory was a bit hazy...but how do you like those fares?  'Regular trains' were even lower... :)

 

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Posted 19 August 2018 - 10:33 AM

So...it was only 3 hours, 39 minutes on some trains...my memory was a bit hazy...but how do you like those fares?  'Regular trains' were even lower... :)
 
As usual, NS VIA Fan, thanks so much for posting those great items of interest. :hi:


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Posted 19 August 2018 - 12:06 PM

So...it was only 3 hours, 39 minutes on some trains...my memory was a bit hazy...but how do you like those fares?  'Regular trains' were even lower... :)
 
As usual, NS VIA Fan, thanks so much for posting those great items of interest. :hi:


I wonder what other good things he has in his collection. That could be an interesting off topic thread.



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Posted 19 August 2018 - 01:52 PM

 

 

So...it was only 3 hours, 39 minutes on some trains...my memory was a bit hazy...but how do you like those fares?  'Regular trains' were even lower... :)
 
As usual, NS VIA Fan, thanks so much for posting those great items of interest. :hi:


I wonder what other good things he has in his collection. That could be an interesting off topic thread.

 



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Posted 04 September 2018 - 04:14 PM

Randomly, why Back Bay and not South Station?  (I know there was an infamous attempt to cut service back to Route 128, but I'm not sure if this was part of such a game)


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Posted 04 September 2018 - 09:56 PM

Randomly, why Back Bay and not South Station?  (I know there was an infamous attempt to cut service back to Route 128, but I'm not sure if this was part of such a game)

I am not sure entirely, but by starting and ending at Back Bay, they could shave off a few minutes in their advertised Boston-New York running time, in an attempt to attract some air shuttle passenger's.    Another reason may be to make it easier to get to their maintenance base...not sure of that, either...


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Posted 05 September 2018 - 11:21 AM

The Turbos were maintained at United Aircraft in Providence RI so it was a bit closer (but only by a couple of miles!) Shortly afterwards.....they were serving South Station
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Posted 05 September 2018 - 03:28 PM

The Turbos were maintained at United Aircraft in Providence RI so it was a bit closer (but only by a couple of miles!) Shortly afterwards.....they were serving South Station

Thanks....I kind of remembered there was something like that to do with it, but forgot the details... :)


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