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Posted 14 July 2018 - 10:03 AM

On a related note, #30 had a Diner-Lounge instead of a Superliner Diner.

I'm pretty sure the diner-lounge has been the standard type used on the Capitol for many years now.


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Posted 14 July 2018 - 10:25 AM

Not sure if it is all the time, but I had one on the last CL I was on. Doesn't make much difference, the train still had a SSL car with the cafe was downstairs.



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Posted 15 July 2018 - 05:57 AM

The beef tenderloin salad was the only non-sugared meal.  Apparently it was available for breakfasts before.  But now, with no egg option for breakfast, there's nothing for the diabetic or low-carb eater.  Unbelievably sloppy.

CORRECTION: the antipasto plate seems to be OK, if you throw out half of it. I guess it's that, over and over again. :-(

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Posted 15 July 2018 - 05:59 AM

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As part of this discussion it had been brought up that ACELA First Class provides meal service with pre made entrees reheated on board.

 

Here is an example of a breakfast entree.

Bluntly this would be fine for the sleeping cars.  Is there some reason Amtrak can't copy this?  Hostility to passengers?  Incompetence?


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Posted 15 July 2018 - 06:00 AM

My gut tells me that Mr. Anderson, with an airline frame of mind, came in and looked at the diners and exclaimed "Are you effing kidding me? Three plus people to turn out this slop!?!?"
 
Everything about this experiment leads me to believe this to be true, and that dining for sleeping car passengers will quickly fall into line with what is served to Acela first class passengers.


I would love to believe that, but they could have done that so much more easily by *actually copying the Acela First Class menu* that I have to ask why they didn't.
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Posted 15 July 2018 - 06:03 AM

It's not crumbs when you're under a federal mandate to eliminate food and beverage losses.


Amtrak is also under a federal mandate to report *avoidable* costs for the long-distance trains. They have ignored this mandate for 10 years and Anderson continues to ignore it. Maybe they should actually get their accounting right before making business decisions...
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Posted 15 July 2018 - 07:26 AM

Here is the link to the ACELA First Class menus, there are (3) that are rotated.

 

If this was used as the basis for LD dining service, it should be cost effective enough to pass the mandate imposed on Amtrak for it's F & B service.

 

https://www.amtrak.c...-Menus-0418.pdf


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Posted 15 July 2018 - 11:06 AM

Acela menus are a bit better. I don’t get the fascination with mixing so much in with eggs. Not everyone likes every ingredient. Just keep it simple.
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Posted 15 July 2018 - 02:50 PM

Acela menus are a bit better. I don’t get the fascination with mixing so much in with eggs. Not everyone likes every ingredient. Just keep it simple.

So true. Nothing worse than a meal where you can't easily ignore or remove ingredients because of dietary or taste reasons unless of course you can request a customized version. For those of us that are vegetarians once-removed, as well as for regular vegetarians and anyone else with dietary issues or specific taste buds, it makes a lot of sense.



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Posted 15 July 2018 - 03:06 PM

Here is the link to the ACELA First Class menus, there are (3) that are rotated.

 

If this was used as the basis for LD dining service, it should be cost effective enough to pass the mandate imposed on Amtrak for it's F & B service.

 

https://www.amtrak.c...-Menus-0418.pdf

 

These menus sound very decent.  I noted with interest that Crown Royal Canadian Whisky is availed on Acela.  Being a Canadian Whisky drinker, it irks me that Canadian Whisky is not available on the LD trains.  Anyone have an idea as to why?



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Posted 15 July 2018 - 03:29 PM

I believe that I had the answer a few posts back.  If you must, use the Cardinal menu for the LSL and CL.  One man does it all and the food while not up to par with full dining car service is far better than the boxed, high salt, high sugar, high additives crap that they are now serving to their best customers. That's cancer food..



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Posted 15 July 2018 - 03:51 PM

Just like the Parlour Car, one attendant served 24 sit down lunches and dinners. One hot entree and one cold choice. The food was pre prepared minus some veges the attendant would dice in his down time in the afternoon. This was service on china with linen tablecloths. The attendant was also a bartender the entire time as well. He had no help from the adjoining dining car at all except they did his reservations. Supposedly Anderson road on the Parlour car and immediately ordered them parked. Ive said it before the Coast Starlight was the experimental train and Anderson killed the experiments as one of his first orders of business.
Since the dining car is headed to a sleeper only service the way the Parlour did it for its sleeping car passengers if efficient as it is/was. Its something customers could live and be happy with.

Im still interested on what Anderson wants on his experimental/experience train he talks about. My guess its all hot air hes just an ideologue that doesnt want the LD trains at all.

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Posted 15 July 2018 - 03:55 PM

That's cancer food..

I get that you’re not a fan of “contemporary dining,” but calling it “cancer food” sounds a bit extreme. You’re not going to get cancer because a meal is sugary or salty. It just doesn’t work like that.


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Posted 15 July 2018 - 04:27 PM

More likely carcinogens in foods are usually preservatives, food coloring, and nitrites in cured food.  Too much sodium, fat, and sugar is certainly not healthy, but raising the cancer risk probably is not the top reason. A steak, (red meat in general) particularly if cooked well is considered a cancer risk, but most of us would be happy to see one again. I'm not so sure that most packaged/prepared meals make a good showing, they are generally weak on fiber, too heavy on fats, sugars and sodium. The nutrition information for the reheats was not any better. But is that radically different from what most establishments serve, and perhaps sadly, what the majority of people actually want to buy? 


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Posted 15 July 2018 - 06:38 PM

 

Here is the link to the ACELA First Class menus, there are (3) that are rotated.

 

If this was used as the basis for LD dining service, it should be cost effective enough to pass the mandate imposed on Amtrak for it's F & B service.

 

https://www.amtrak.c...-Menus-0418.pdf

 

These menus sound very decent.  I noted with interest that Crown Royal Canadian Whisky is availed on Acela.  Being a Canadian Whisky drinker, it irks me that Canadian Whisky is not available on the LD trains.  Anyone have an idea as to why?

 

Low sales.



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Posted 15 July 2018 - 07:18 PM

 

 

Here is the link to the ACELA First Class menus, there are (3) that are rotated.

 

If this was used as the basis for LD dining service, it should be cost effective enough to pass the mandate imposed on Amtrak for it's F & B service.

 

https://www.amtrak.c...-Menus-0418.pdf

 

These menus sound very decent.  I noted with interest that Crown Royal Canadian Whisky is availed on Acela.  Being a Canadian Whisky drinker, it irks me that Canadian Whisky is not available on the LD trains.  Anyone have an idea as to why?

 

Low sales.

 

 

 

So the sales of Crown Royal on Acela is better?  I'd like to see the data on that.



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Posted 15 July 2018 - 08:20 PM

More likely carcinogens in foods are usually preservatives, food coloring, and nitrites in cured food.  Too much sodium, fat, and sugar is certainly not healthy, but raising the cancer risk probably is not the top reason. A steak, (red meat in general) particularly if cooked well is considered a cancer risk, but most of us would be happy to see one again. I'm not so sure that most packaged/prepared meals make a good showing, they are generally weak on fiber, too heavy on fats, sugars and sodium. The nutrition information for the reheats was not any better. But is that radically different from what most establishments serve, and perhaps sadly, what the majority of people actually want to buy? 

Exactly. Just because something is unhealthy doesn't necessarily mean it'll put you at any risk of getting cancer. Feel free to claim that the meals are unhealthy or are bad for those with dietary restrictions, but making up stuff about cancer really won't help your argument.


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Posted 15 July 2018 - 08:53 PM

 

 

 

Here is the link to the ACELA First Class menus, there are (3) that are rotated.

 

If this was used as the basis for LD dining service, it should be cost effective enough to pass the mandate imposed on Amtrak for it's F & B service.

 

https://www.amtrak.c...-Menus-0418.pdf

 

These menus sound very decent.  I noted with interest that Crown Royal Canadian Whisky is availed on Acela.  Being a Canadian Whisky drinker, it irks me that Canadian Whisky is not available on the LD trains.  Anyone have an idea as to why?

 

Low sales.

 

 

 

So the sales of Crown Royal on Acela is better?  I'd like to see the data on that.

 

No the sales aren't that much better, but trying to provide an upscale image and a larger selection of liquor than any other train. 



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Posted 15 July 2018 - 09:54 PM

 

 

 

Here is the link to the ACELA First Class menus, there are (3) that are rotated.

 

If this was used as the basis for LD dining service, it should be cost effective enough to pass the mandate imposed on Amtrak for it's F & B service.

 

https://www.amtrak.c...-Menus-0418.pdf

 

These menus sound very decent.  I noted with interest that Crown Royal Canadian Whisky is availed on Acela.  Being a Canadian Whisky drinker, it irks me that Canadian Whisky is not available on the LD trains.  Anyone have an idea as to why?

 

Low sales.

 

 

 

So the sales of Crown Royal on Acela is better?  I'd like to see the data on that.

 

On LD's you have to pay for your booze and on Acela first you don't. Probably not enough people are paying for it on the LD's.



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Posted 16 July 2018 - 06:38 AM

Could you explain your last statement please?  It seems contradictory. 

 

I also thought that there was a free drink--which might be liquor--in the new set-up, no?






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