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#181 Steve4031

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Posted 06 October 2018 - 02:05 PM

Railiner was referring to the blue line. I thought I was agreeing with him when I described the difficulties with the ohare transfer shuttle.
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Posted 07 October 2018 - 12:39 PM

Running about an hour late into Cut Bank, Montana. Not too bad. Lost most of the time between Spokane and sandpoint

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Posted 07 October 2018 - 01:33 PM

Running about an hour late into Cut Bank, Montana. Not too bad. Lost most of the time between Spokane and sandpoint

Does it seem like you'll be making up time?


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Posted 07 October 2018 - 04:27 PM

45 minutes late out of Havre. At this point we are. Probably will be on time at Minot.
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Posted 07 October 2018 - 05:45 PM

Back to 1 hour 10 late at Glasgow. For past 40 or 50 miles we’ve been going below 79 mph. Some of it may be curved or we are following a freight.
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Posted 08 October 2018 - 05:53 PM

Looks like you arrived about 45 minutes late?



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Posted 08 October 2018 - 10:35 PM

Looks like you arrived about 45 minutes late?


That’s correct. Got caught in Metra traffic at Western ave. Then a slow run into CUS.

Overall a good trip. It seemed like we followed freights more than waited in sidings. There were times that we were going 60 rather than 79. I may have missed a few meets sleeping.

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Posted 14 October 2018 - 10:16 PM

Today, I can say, the westbound EB has been on-time at MSP for most of a week now.

Eastbound I dunno.

Going into winter mode early -- track work over -- only blizzards to slow the train :)


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Posted Yesterday, 03:50 PM

Today, I can say, the westbound EB has been on-time at MSP for most of a week now.

Eastbound I dunno.

Going into winter mode early -- track work over -- only blizzards to slow the train :)

 

Yes the fine powder of some blizzards will short out the DC traction motors quickly on  the P-42s



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Posted Yesterday, 04:06 PM

 

Today, I can say, the westbound EB has been on-time at MSP for most of a week now.

Eastbound I dunno.

Going into winter mode early -- track work over -- only blizzards to slow the train :)

 

Yes the fine powder of some blizzards will short out the DC traction motors quickly on  the P-42s

Really? Fine snow can quickly short out locomotive motors? How?


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Posted Yesterday, 07:00 PM

Really? Fine snow can quickly short out locomotive motors? How?

Ever wonder why GG-1's had those unsightly vents added?

https://i.pinimg.com...032ec1a1f0e.jpg

Here's why:

https://nyti.ms/2AbSHyA

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Posted Yesterday, 11:32 PM

Really? Fine snow can quickly short out locomotive motors? How?

Ever wonder why GG-1's had those unsightly vents added?

https://i.pinimg.com...032ec1a1f0e.jpg

Here's why:

https://nyti.ms/2AbSHyA

I believe the NYT article is behind a paywall, as it's an archive.


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Posted Yesterday, 11:39 PM

 

Really? Fine snow can quickly short out locomotive motors? How?

Ever wonder why GG-1's had those unsightly vents added?

https://i.pinimg.com...032ec1a1f0e.jpg

Here's why:

https://nyti.ms/2AbSHyA

I believe the NYT article is behind a paywall, as it's an archive.

Yep. :(


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Posted Today, 06:43 AM

https://nyti.ms/2AbSHyA

Maybe this will work; otherwise "the Paywall Police" made their collar.

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Posted Today, 07:00 AM

How big a factor is "freight train prioritization" in re: train delays on these LD routes?  When I was riding the Auto Train, that seemed to be the largest factor in any delays encountered (i;e; it was often delayed to give priority to freight trains use the same portion of tracks).  There were, of course, other factors (commuter trains were less of factor but still a factor), and I recall once where there was an AMTRAK LD tran ahead of the Auto Train that was involved in a fatal accident (which stopped all traffic along the route).


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Posted Today, 07:04 AM

https://nyti.ms/2AbSHyA
Maybe this will work; otherwise "the Paywall Police" made their collar.

Nope. Still doesn’t work.

Routes Traveled: Silver Meteor, Silver Star, CrescentLake Shore LimitedCalifornia Zephyr, Sunset Limited, Texas EagleEthan Allen Express, Empire Service, Maple Leaf, AdirondackAcela Express, Northeast RegionalKeystone Service, Downeaster w/ Great Dome
 
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Posted Today, 07:12 AM

How big a factor is "freight train prioritization" in re: train delays on these LD routes?  When I was riding the Auto Train, that seemed to be the largest factor in any delays encountered (i;e; it was often delayed to give priority to freight trains use the same portion of tracks).  There were, of course, other factors (commuter trains were less of factor but still a factor), and I recall once where there was an AMTRAK LD tran ahead of the Auto Train that was involved in a fatal accident (which stopped all traffic along the route).


It is still very much a *very* big factor. Amtrak trains get stuck behind freights ALL THE TIME. And once a train gets even a little delayed, it often gets sufficiently out of sync with the freight schedules that delays pile up as the train gets stuck behind more and more freights. I think I’m right in saying that freights clogging up the tracks is by far the biggest cause of significantly delayed LD trains.

Routes Traveled: Silver Meteor, Silver Star, CrescentLake Shore LimitedCalifornia Zephyr, Sunset Limited, Texas EagleEthan Allen Express, Empire Service, Maple Leaf, AdirondackAcela Express, Northeast RegionalKeystone Service, Downeaster w/ Great Dome
 
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Posted Today, 08:20 AM

 

How big a factor is "freight train prioritization" in re: train delays on these LD routes?  When I was riding the Auto Train, that seemed to be the largest factor in any delays encountered (i;e; it was often delayed to give priority to freight trains use the same portion of tracks).  There were, of course, other factors (commuter trains were less of factor but still a factor), and I recall once where there was an AMTRAK LD tran ahead of the Auto Train that was involved in a fatal accident (which stopped all traffic along the route).


It is still very much a *very* big factor. Amtrak trains get stuck behind freights ALL THE TIME. And once a train gets even a little delayed, it often gets sufficiently out of sync with the freight schedules that delays pile up as the train gets stuck behind more and more freights. I think I’m right in saying that freights clogging up the tracks is by far the biggest cause of significantly delayed LD trains.

 

 

As I suspected.  It seems that most of the train systems familiar to me that are known for being "on time" are those that usually have dedicated trackage (JR Shinkansens, etc.).  Not sure if the Euro trains (Thallys, ICE, etc.) have reasonably dedicated trackage or not but....


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Posted Today, 09:17 AM

Apparently, the Paywall Police have new crime fighting techniques at their disposal. Even Times home delivery customers cannot subvert them.

In essence, the unsightly vents added to the GG-1 fleet (Mr. Lowey must have been aghast) arose after a March 1958 snowstorm when a fine mist of snow passed through the vents as designed for what has been called the most aestheticly pleasing locomotive to be on the rails. The result was electrical components "shorting out" disabling much of the fleet. The immediate remedy was using Diesels on the many LD's as far as Phila and the fix was the raised vents.

Edited by GBNorman, Today, 09:19 AM.


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Posted Today, 09:20 AM

Apparently, the Paywall Police have new crime fighting techniques at their disposal. Even Times home delivery customers cannot subvert them.

Ok, I don't get what you're talking about or referring to. Paywalls have been around for a long time, and it usually isn't easy to get around them. Maybe just link an article that you don't have to pay for next time.


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