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#41 cpotisch

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Posted 08 August 2018 - 03:11 PM

 

At this rate in a year or two they will be taking full 7 days to make it from Toronto to Vancouver. :ph34r:

Hmmm....perhaps they will charge fares by the night, like a hotel, instead of by the mile.... :P

Considering what VIA charges for Sleeper Plus and especially Prestige, the nightly rate would be orders of magnitude higher than probably any hotel in the country.


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Posted 08 August 2018 - 05:13 PM

 

 

At this rate in a year or two they will be taking full 7 days to make it from Toronto to Vancouver. :ph34r:

Hmmm....perhaps they will charge fares by the night, like a hotel, instead of by the mile.... :P

Considering what VIA charges for Sleeper Plus and especially Prestige, the nightly rate would be orders of magnitude higher than probably any hotel in the country.

 

If you look for discounted fares, the special fares (formerly Tuesday specials but now available for Sleeper Plus all the time) between selected points roughly 4-8 weeks before departure, and shoulder and off-season rates and the exchange rate, you can make it for not a lot more than Amtrak.

 

My next trip will be just under $1400 USD in an off season fare in November for a roomette Vancouver-Toronto.  It isn't a discounted fare either, some tour operator scooped up too much capacity and there is no inventory in discount left.  If I was able to get the discount fare, it would have been closer to $1200 USD.

 

Those prices are in the same rough ballpark as Amtrak is for 4 nights in a roomette.  Just don't go in the summer.  The train is better ride in the off season anyway, when it isn't 26 cars long and mobbed.

 

Prestige is a whole different matter.  Personally I won't pay like $5000 extra for free booze and hors d'oeuvres (actually more for me since I travel by myself and the Prestige fares are only double occupancy, so it would be more like $11,000 extra).  That's an awful lot of booze in 4 days to make up $11,000.


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 01:21 PM

Starting with next summer's schedule, VIA will significantly change the Canadian's operation.

 

The full route will only be served twice weekly (i.e. same as winter), but the third frequency will run Vancouver-Edmonton only.

 

They are also significantly changing the scheduled times at stations along the route.

 

Details here:  http://trn.trains.co...-summer-of-2019


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 01:58 PM

So the Canadian has now been converted almost wholly to a tourist operation with ever diminishing core transportation purpose.


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 02:21 PM

So the Canadian has now been converted almost wholly to a tourist operation with ever diminishing core transportation purpose.

Yep, looks like the Trudeau Government isn't a supporter of VIA. I'm Shocked!Shocked!😣

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 03:32 PM

So the Canadian has now been converted almost wholly to a tourist operation with ever diminishing core transportation purpose.

That, and Greyhound Canada abandoning all its routes west of Ontario on October 31st, will mean for many....fly or drive.   (A hodgepodge of local bus carrier's have applied to replace them on the most lucrative routes).


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 03:43 PM

The Winnipeg westbound departure is at 3:45 AM.

 

...doesn't look like I'll be riding the Canadian again anytime soon. That's just sad that they're relegating the timetable that much to sightseeing instead of trying to have some semblance of basic transportation.


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 04:45 PM

The Winnipeg westbound departure is at 3:45 AM.

 

...doesn't look like I'll be riding the Canadian again anytime soon. That's just sad that they're relegating the timetable that much to sightseeing instead of trying to have some semblance of basic transportation.

What time did it depart Winnipeg before?


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Posted 05 October 2018 - 09:51 AM

Current scheduled departure from Winnipeg 10:00am (previously 11:45am).

 

I have just received new boarding pass from Via for a Sunday 2pm departure from Toronto next June (was originally booked on a Saturday 10pm departure). Now getting into Vancouver 1 day later than planned and I have to arrange an extra night's hotel in Toronto after my already booked flight in from the UK and cancel 1 night of my Vancouver hotel booking.

 

I thought I had covered all the bases by giving myself more "dwell" time in Vancouver next year following my somewhat troublesome holiday on Via and Amtrak this year (see my July 2018 comments against the thread I started in January this year headed “Very late running of Via’s Canadian”).

 

I didn’t see this sort of change coming (and presumably the Via rep whom I emailed prior to making my online booking had no inkling of this change).


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Posted 06 October 2018 - 12:50 AM

Take a look! The westbound 1 has been many hours late the past week or so! The new schedule doesn't seem to be helping on some runs that much.

 

https://reservia.via...Date=2018-10-05

https://reservia.via...Date=2018-10-02

https://reservia.via...Date=2018-09-30

 

1. Originating Toronto on Oct 2 is currently 13.5 hours late in Alberta. As far I see, this is the latest of the trains in the past week.

2. Originating Toronto on Sept 29 arrived Vancouver 8:45 late, even with all the padding

3. Originating Toronto on Sept 27 arrived Vancouver 4.5 hours late. Delays mostly occurred in Alberta.

 

This seems to be just starting recently, but I fear another cycle of "Oh, let's lengthen the schedule again" after having done that a few times already by significant amounts. Combined that with the horribler schedule coming up, this just might be the last straw for the Canadian. Or at least among the last few straws. As long distance trains are in the Americas.


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