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Posted 23 June 2018 - 12:42 PM

Here's a sketch showing the loop through Toronto I made from a trip about 10 years ago and is still route the Canadian follows today. To wye a train as long as the Canadian..it would have to head about 40 miles west on the Oakville Sub to Bayview on the route to London.

Wait, so they wye the train with passengers onboard, on the way out of Toronto? Find it surprising that they haven't felt it was worth it to put that track in and never have to wye it there again.


The train is not being 'wyed'.....it's just making a big loop around the city all in a forward direction except for a short back-up move at Snider to get from the Newmarket Sub to the York Sub. Today...there is no place to put a connecting track in the SE Quadrant at Snyder:

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Wyeing or backing up with passengers aboard is certainly not unusual. The Ocean does it at Quebec City on each run. After running over the Quebec Bridge to reach the suburban Ste Foy station...it backs up 3 miles with the Park Car Dome Observation leading to regain the mainline to Halifax on the south shore of the St Lawrence River.

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Posted 23 June 2018 - 02:33 PM

Seems like a waste of time to go over the bridge and back, since they don't go all the way into Gare Palais, anyway.   Since they no longer have the line thru Levis, why not just stop at Charny, for Quebec City passenger's?


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Posted 23 June 2018 - 03:30 PM

Seems like a waste of time to go over the bridge and back, since they don't go all the way into Gare Palais, anyway.   Since they no longer have the line thru Levis, why not just stop at Charny, for Quebec City passenger's?


After the line through Levis was abandoned in '98......the Ocean had to run into or back out of Charny from the Montreal – Halifax mainline. Then the Charny station was closed....and the Ocean just continued on over the Quebec Bridge an additional 2 miles to the suburban station at Ste-Foy where full station services were available. To go all the way into Gare du Palais would add about an hour round-trip and the platforms there couldn't handle the 20 car + Oceans running today. Ste-Foy can.

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Posted 23 June 2018 - 03:40 PM

If CN doesn't need it for freight movements, and apparently they do not, it won't happen. And Via doesn't have the money, or will, to do it for just 6 trains a week (max).
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Posted 24 June 2018 - 12:24 AM

I am not familiar with the route...so they have to leave the mainline to go into and out of Charny as well?

If that is the case, isn't there some place along the mainline at its closest point to Quebec City where they could establish a station, to eliminate that move, as well?


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Posted 24 June 2018 - 09:34 AM

I am not familiar with the route...so they have to leave the mainline to go into and out of Charny as well?
If that is the case, isn't there some place along the mainline at its closest point to Quebec City where they could establish a station, to eliminate that move, as well?

With money from who or what?

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Posted 24 June 2018 - 11:05 AM

 

I am not familiar with the route...so they have to leave the mainline to go into and out of Charny as well?
If that is the case, isn't there some place along the mainline at its closest point to Quebec City where they could establish a station, to eliminate that move, as well?

With money from who or what?

 

I don't have the answer to that...perhaps some of the time and expense for the current 'detour' over the bridge and back?


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Posted 24 June 2018 - 09:10 PM

Even St Foy's platform isn't big enough for the Ocean. It's routinely a double spot. Or at least that's what they were doing when I ride the ocean this December.
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Posted 24 June 2018 - 10:24 PM

Even St Foy's platform isn't big enough for the Ocean. It's routinely a double spot. Or at least that's what they were doing when I ride the ocean this December.

But at least you can double spot at a through station like St. Foy. It is kind of hard to do that at a terminal station like Palais.

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Posted 24 June 2018 - 10:32 PM

Even St Foy's platform isn't big enough for the Ocean. It's routinely a double spot. Or at least that's what they were doing when I ride the ocean this December.

But at least you can double spot at a through station like St. Foy. It is kind of hard to do that at a terminal station like Palais.

Exactly. I was just pointing that out for a factual basis that even its a flawed station in some regards. It's just less flawed.
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Posted 28 June 2018 - 06:20 PM

Via's information posted on their website has apparently been both incorrect and inconsistent up until now.   They have now posted both the current and the new schedule PDFs with the current schedule now posted as running through 7/25 and the new schedule starting 7/26, running through 10/7.  What happens after 10/7?

 

However, the interactive schedule inquiry still shows the new schedule for all future departures, as it has from the start, although the booking engine is consistent with the PDFs.  Via's rollout of this schedule on their website has been an absolute cluster.   So 2 out 3 ain't bad?

 

They have found a way to make Amtrak's website look good.


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Posted 28 June 2018 - 06:43 PM

After 10/7, it probably goes back to 2x/week.
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Posted 28 June 2018 - 07:01 PM

True, was just looking at the heading.  I looked at the schedule itself and it has the normal heading at the the top saying (following Via's odd custom of starting the week on Monday):

            Oct 8, 2018 - April 27, 2019  1234567

Days  

            April 29, 2018 - Oct 7, 2018  1234567

 

Apparently they couldn't be bothered with putting the actual start date on the new schedule, just left the date from the old schedule.  They've been quite sloppy and unprofessional on this whole thing.


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Posted 30 June 2018 - 06:08 PM

One further update, last evening's Train 2 left Vancouver at 20:35 (scheduled at 20:30), not noon, yet interestingly enough, most of the current trains are running reasonably close to schedule today. Yes, VIA's admin leaves a LOT to be desired.



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Posted 01 July 2018 - 12:13 AM

One further update, last evening's Train 2 left Vancouver at 20:35 (scheduled at 20:30), not noon, yet interestingly enough, most of the current trains are running reasonably close to schedule today. Yes, VIA's admin leaves a LOT to be desired.

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Posted 01 July 2018 - 10:17 AM

 

One further update, last evening's Train 2 left Vancouver at 20:35 (scheduled at 20:30), not noon, yet interestingly enough, most of the current trains are running reasonably close to schedule today. Yes, VIA's admin leaves a LOT to be desired.

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Posted 31 July 2018 - 03:40 AM

VIA RAIL MODIFIES THE SCHEDULE OF THE CANADIAN BETWEEN TORONTO AND VANCOUVER
Friday, June 22nd 2018
MONTREAL, June 22 2018 – Effective July 26, 2018, the schedule of the Canadian, VIA Rail Canada’s (VIA Rail) train, which travels between Toronto and Vancouver, will be modified. This important mid-season modification was necessary in order to address significant and recurring delays in recent months, and provide passengers a more predictable route, both at departure and on arrival. This change also takes into account the opportunity for passengers to see the changing Canadian landscape during the daylight hours.
 
Since the beginning of peak season in April, the Canadian has been subject to major delays that eventually forced the exceptional cancellation of two trips in May. This situation confirmed the necessity for VIA Rail and CN, the owner of the infrastructure, to revise the schedule. In addition, CN has begun significant work to increase the capacity of its infrastructure in Western Canada, which will improve the flow of its freight and VIA Rail passenger trains. The introduction of the new schedule was also guided by the desire to ensure that the trains pass at the best time of day for travellers to appreciate the beauty of the landscape.
 
“We hope that with the new schedule, as well as the important infrastructure investments by our partner CN, our travellers will experience a more predictable service, both at departure and on arrival, and a better opportunity to appreciate the greatness and beauty of our country at daylight. We appreciate CN’s support in improving the travel experience of thousands of Canadians and international tourists who, every summer, experience the trip of a lifetime by choosing to discover the vastness of Canada through a trip by rail. Just as importantly, this change will increase the reliability of schedules as sought by the various communities served along the route,” declared Yves Desjardins-Siciliano, President and Chief Executive Officer at VIA Rail.
 
“We continue to work closely with VIA Rail to provide their passengers with a more predictable and reliable travel experience,” said JJ Ruest, interim president and chief executive officer. “We are investing $400 million in new capacity on the busy corridors across Western Canada, used by VIA’s Canadian and the many freight trains carrying goods vital to moving our nation’s economy, to provide safe and efficient rail service.”
 
 
The modified schedules will come into effect on July 26 for train #1 from Toronto and July 27 for train #2 from Vancouver. The number of weekly departures remains the same.
 
Westbound schedule (train #1) as of July 26 | Departs Tuesdays, Thursdays* and Saturdays
 
Departs Toronto: 10PM
 
Arrives in Winnipeg: 8AM / Departs at 10AM
 
Arrives in Saskatoon: 11:20PM
 
Arrives in Edmonton: 8:22AM / Departs at 9:37AM
 
Arrives in Jasper: 4PM / Departs at 7:30PM
 
Arrives in Vancouver: 6PM (instead of 9:42AM) + 4 days
 
 
Eastbound schedule (train #2) as of July 27 | Departs Tuesdays, Fridays and Sundays*
 
Departs Vancouver: 12PM
 
Arrives in Jasper: 8AM / Departs at 10AM
 
Arrives in Edmonton: 4:20PM / Departs at 5:19PM
 
Arrives in Saskatoon: 4:40AM
 
Arrives in Winnipeg: 7PM / Departs at 10:30PM
 
Arrives in Toronto: 2PM (instead of 9:30AM) + 4 days
 
* In high season only, from May to October
 
VIA Rail is in communication with the ticket holders for departures as of July 26th. For more information, travellers are invited to contact a sales representative by phone, by dialing 1 888 VIA-RAIL (1 888 842-7245) or 1 800 268-9503 (TTY for deaf or hard of hearing).
 
 
Comment: Plus nine hours going west, plus 12 hours going east by my reckoning.

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Posted 31 July 2018 - 11:30 AM

The first #1 on the new schedule arrived ontime in Vancouver last evening (July 30). It was reported that the arrival actually delayed the departure of Amtrak's Cascade as the Canadian was so long it had to be split in two and backed into the station...blocking the Cascade's track.

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Posted 31 July 2018 - 12:19 PM

At this rate in a year or two they will be taking full 7 days to make it from Toronto to Vancouver. :ph34r:



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Posted 31 July 2018 - 11:40 PM

At this rate in a year or two they will be taking full 7 days to make it from Toronto to Vancouver. :ph34r:

Hmmm....perhaps they will charge fares by the night, like a hotel, instead of by the mile.... :P


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