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#21 NS VIA Fan

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Posted 23 June 2018 - 12:42 PM

Here's a sketch showing the loop through Toronto I made from a trip about 10 years ago and is still route the Canadian follows today. To wye a train as long as the Canadian..it would have to head about 40 miles west on the Oakville Sub to Bayview on the route to London.

Wait, so they wye the train with passengers onboard, on the way out of Toronto? Find it surprising that they haven't felt it was worth it to put that track in and never have to wye it there again.


The train is not being 'wyed'.....it's just making a big loop around the city all in a forward direction except for a short back-up move at Snider to get from the Newmarket Sub to the York Sub. Today...there is no place to put a connecting track in the SE Quadrant at Snyder:

https://goo.gl/maps/9B6in744kgw

Wyeing or backing up with passengers aboard is certainly not unusual. The Ocean does it at Quebec City on each run. After running over the Quebec Bridge to reach the suburban Ste Foy station...it backs up 3 miles with the Park Car Dome Observation leading to regain the mainline to Halifax on the south shore of the St Lawrence River.

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Posted 23 June 2018 - 02:33 PM

Seems like a waste of time to go over the bridge and back, since they don't go all the way into Gare Palais, anyway.   Since they no longer have the line thru Levis, why not just stop at Charny, for Quebec City passenger's?


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Posted 23 June 2018 - 03:30 PM

Seems like a waste of time to go over the bridge and back, since they don't go all the way into Gare Palais, anyway.   Since they no longer have the line thru Levis, why not just stop at Charny, for Quebec City passenger's?


After the line through Levis was abandoned in '98......the Ocean had to run into or back out of Charny from the Montreal – Halifax mainline. Then the Charny station was closed....and the Ocean just continued on over the Quebec Bridge an additional 2 miles to the suburban station at Ste-Foy where full station services were available. To go all the way into Gare du Palais would add about an hour round-trip and the platforms there couldn't handle the 20 car + Oceans running today. Ste-Foy can.

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Posted 23 June 2018 - 03:40 PM

If CN doesn't need it for freight movements, and apparently they do not, it won't happen. And Via doesn't have the money, or will, to do it for just 6 trains a week (max).
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Posted 24 June 2018 - 12:24 AM

I am not familiar with the route...so they have to leave the mainline to go into and out of Charny as well?

If that is the case, isn't there some place along the mainline at its closest point to Quebec City where they could establish a station, to eliminate that move, as well?


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Posted 24 June 2018 - 09:34 AM

I am not familiar with the route...so they have to leave the mainline to go into and out of Charny as well?
If that is the case, isn't there some place along the mainline at its closest point to Quebec City where they could establish a station, to eliminate that move, as well?

With money from who or what?

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Posted 24 June 2018 - 11:05 AM

 

I am not familiar with the route...so they have to leave the mainline to go into and out of Charny as well?
If that is the case, isn't there some place along the mainline at its closest point to Quebec City where they could establish a station, to eliminate that move, as well?

With money from who or what?

 

I don't have the answer to that...perhaps some of the time and expense for the current 'detour' over the bridge and back?


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Posted 24 June 2018 - 09:10 PM

Even St Foy's platform isn't big enough for the Ocean. It's routinely a double spot. Or at least that's what they were doing when I ride the ocean this December.
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Posted 24 June 2018 - 10:24 PM

Even St Foy's platform isn't big enough for the Ocean. It's routinely a double spot. Or at least that's what they were doing when I ride the ocean this December.

But at least you can double spot at a through station like St. Foy. It is kind of hard to do that at a terminal station like Palais.

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Posted 24 June 2018 - 10:32 PM

Even St Foy's platform isn't big enough for the Ocean. It's routinely a double spot. Or at least that's what they were doing when I ride the ocean this December.

But at least you can double spot at a through station like St. Foy. It is kind of hard to do that at a terminal station like Palais.

Exactly. I was just pointing that out for a factual basis that even its a flawed station in some regards. It's just less flawed.
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Posted 28 June 2018 - 06:20 PM

Via's information posted on their website has apparently been both incorrect and inconsistent up until now.   They have now posted both the current and the new schedule PDFs with the current schedule now posted as running through 7/25 and the new schedule starting 7/26, running through 10/7.  What happens after 10/7?

 

However, the interactive schedule inquiry still shows the new schedule for all future departures, as it has from the start, although the booking engine is consistent with the PDFs.  Via's rollout of this schedule on their website has been an absolute cluster.   So 2 out 3 ain't bad?

 

They have found a way to make Amtrak's website look good.


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Posted 28 June 2018 - 06:43 PM

After 10/7, it probably goes back to 2x/week.
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Posted 28 June 2018 - 07:01 PM

True, was just looking at the heading.  I looked at the schedule itself and it has the normal heading at the the top saying (following Via's odd custom of starting the week on Monday):

            Oct 8, 2018 - April 27, 2019  1234567

Days  

            April 29, 2018 - Oct 7, 2018  1234567

 

Apparently they couldn't be bothered with putting the actual start date on the new schedule, just left the date from the old schedule.  They've been quite sloppy and unprofessional on this whole thing.


Edited by zephyr17, 28 June 2018 - 07:03 PM.

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Posted 30 June 2018 - 06:08 PM

One further update, last evening's Train 2 left Vancouver at 20:35 (scheduled at 20:30), not noon, yet interestingly enough, most of the current trains are running reasonably close to schedule today. Yes, VIA's admin leaves a LOT to be desired.



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Posted 01 July 2018 - 12:13 AM

One further update, last evening's Train 2 left Vancouver at 20:35 (scheduled at 20:30), not noon, yet interestingly enough, most of the current trains are running reasonably close to schedule today. Yes, VIA's admin leaves a LOT to be desired.

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Posted 01 July 2018 - 10:17 AM

 

One further update, last evening's Train 2 left Vancouver at 20:35 (scheduled at 20:30), not noon, yet interestingly enough, most of the current trains are running reasonably close to schedule today. Yes, VIA's admin leaves a LOT to be desired.

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