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Posted 15 June 2018 - 10:44 AM

I suspect one of New York's claim to 24 hour claim is the Subway system. Until recently it was pretty much the only system that ran 24 hours.

 

Now of course, London has joined the ranks (though not yet and possibly not ever on all lines) and several other cities are preparing to jump in. As far as surface Suburban Lines go though, there already were several cities that pretty much ran round the clock if you consider 20-30 min headway as running.



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Posted 15 June 2018 - 12:00 PM

I suspect one of New York's claim to 24 hour claim is the Subway system. Until recently it was pretty much the only system that ran 24 hours.

 

I assumed it was based on the clubs and drug culture from the sixties and seventies.  Humans can't normally keep going all day and all night long unless they're on something stronger than a conventional OTC stimulant.  In many major cities the transit curfew is when most/all of the maintenance is completed.  Not sure how New York gets around it but I guess they just wait until something important fails before shutting down the interchange/station/bridge/tunnel to fix or replace the failed component(s).


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Posted 15 June 2018 - 12:04 PM

Many subway lines are open 24 hours, whereas Chicago is unusual in that even 2 lines remain open through the night.

Not counting temporary service disruptions, almost every subway line runs 24/7. I'm pretty sure the C and B are the only trains that don't operate at night, and all stations in the system are open 24/7. My point is that mass transit is almost always an option in NYC, regardless of the time.

But it is SAFE 24/7?

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Posted 15 June 2018 - 12:06 PM

 

I suspect one of New York's claim to 24 hour claim is the Subway system. Until recently it was pretty much the only system that ran 24 hours.

 

I previously assumed it was based on the clubs and drug culture from the sixties and seventies.  Humans can't normally keep going all night long unless they're on something stronger than a conventional stimulant.  In many major cities the transit curfew is when most/all of the maintenance is completed.  Not sure how New York gets around it but I guess they just wait until something important fails before shutting the line or interchange down to fix it.

 

I really think that it's just that New York City is massive both in population and area, yet not very conducive to automobiles, so mass transit is desperately needed, pretty much round the clock. Of course it's not nearly as busy late at night, but I've been on trains at 11:00 PM or later and all the seats were filled up. As to how they maintain the infrastructure if the trains run 24/7, there's the occasional service disruption at night or on weekends, during which they do their repairs and construction.


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Posted 15 June 2018 - 12:13 PM

 

 

Many subway lines are open 24 hours, whereas Chicago is unusual in that even 2 lines remain open through the night.

Not counting temporary service disruptions, almost every subway line runs 24/7. I'm pretty sure the C and B are the only trains that don't operate at night, and all stations in the system are open 24/7. My point is that mass transit is almost always an option in NYC, regardless of the time.

 

But it is SAFE 24/7?

 

I would say that a grown man traveling on a subway train at night is completely safe. It definitely isn't any less safe than being out on the street late at night, especially since every station and train car is lighted, and that regardless of the time, there are pretty much always multiple people riding in each one. My point is, I would not consider the subway to be at the limiting factor when it comes to safety late at night.


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Posted 15 June 2018 - 12:43 PM

I really think that it's just that New York City is massive both in population and area, yet not very conducive to automobiles, so mass transit is desperately needed, pretty much round the clock. Of course it's not nearly as busy late at night, but I've been on trains at 11:00 PM or later and all the seats were filled up. As to how they maintain the infrastructure if the trains run 24/7, there's the occasional service disruption at night or on weekends, during which they do their repairs and construction.

As has been becoming more and more evident, actually they maintain it considerably poorly compared to systems in other cities, and upgrades take considerably more time and money too.



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Posted 15 June 2018 - 12:48 PM

 

I really think that it's just that New York City is massive both in population and area, yet not very conducive to automobiles, so mass transit is desperately needed, pretty much round the clock. Of course it's not nearly as busy late at night, but I've been on trains at 11:00 PM or later and all the seats were filled up. As to how they maintain the infrastructure if the trains run 24/7, there's the occasional service disruption at night or on weekends, during which they do their repairs and construction.

As has been becoming more and more evident, actually they maintain it considerably poorly compared to systems in other cities, and upgrades take considerably more time and money too.

 

I do agree to a certain extent. There is apparently something to be said for just shutting down a line or segment altogether to get all the construction and maintenance done, and then continue service once again. The current system of doing repairs at night or on weekends, over the course of weeks or even months, hasn't been working great. The question is, is it better to inconvenience a bunch of people for months on end, or to screw with a ton of people for a few days. I feel like the latter is better in the long run.


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Posted 19 June 2018 - 09:15 PM

All subways are safe day and night. It’s not like it was 30-40 years ago. Take one of the subways to Brooklyn after dark and walk back across the Brooklyn Bridge. Very cool. There’s a new Midtown attraction called Gulliver’s Gate that might appeal to your son. I really enjoyed it. Could take Path train to Hoboken and ferry back to Chelsea. Also consider Classic Cruise Line trips around Manhattan. Goldstar has discount tickets.
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Posted 19 June 2018 - 09:43 PM

I would definitely recommend the NY Waterway ferries if you get the chance. They're very inexpensive, pretty efficient, and offer you a great view of the NYC skyline. There are plenty of routes, but I most recommend you take the East River Ferry from midtown to Pier 1 (near the southern tip of Manhattan). There's a large open area up top, which will let you enjoy the sun and get some great pictures of Brooklyn and Manhattan. Here's their website.


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Posted 20 June 2018 - 12:40 AM

How stupid for the "city that never sleeps"...

 
I feel like part of anyone's first visit to New York is the realization that most of it sleeps just as much as any other big city. -_- 
Meanwhile, a couple of years back I walked around the western edge of the Loop in Chicago around the same time of day before catching the last Orange Line train of the night for an early morning flight, and there was virtually nobody on the streets.
You were hanging in the wrong area if expecting nightlife. It isn't hard to find very active streets late with 2:00, 4:00, and weekend 5:00 liquor licenses abounding.


Though, there are those who recall Chicago partying hard every night till dawn more than now in decades past.

Still, a lot of the most interesting stuff in town doesn't really get going until at least 11 or after Midnight.

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Posted 20 June 2018 - 12:36 PM

Still, a lot of the most interesting stuff in town doesn't really get going until at least 11 or after Midnight.

My Savannah is much like that. With a bar closing time of 3 AM, we have quite the party reputation. Bar tenders are going home while breakfast cooks are going in.

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Posted 20 June 2018 - 05:54 PM

 

I suspect one of New York's claim to 24 hour claim is the Subway system. Until recently it was pretty much the only system that ran 24 hours.

 

I assumed it was based on the clubs and drug culture from the sixties and seventies.  Humans can't normally keep going all day and all night long unless they're on something stronger than a conventional OTC stimulant.  In many major cities the transit curfew is when most/all of the maintenance is completed.  Not sure how New York gets around it but I guess they just wait until something important fails before shutting down the interchange/station/bridge/tunnel to fix or replace the failed component(s).

 

 

New York is "The City That Never Sleeps." The people--they sleep.

 

Mass transit is 24/7, but so are many stores, esp. coffee shops and local convenience stores. Families are known to keep their stores open 24/7, explaining "We pay rent 24/7." Also bars and clubs are generally open till 4 AM, sometimes 5 on weekends. I've been to many "big" cities where bars close at 1 or 2 AM.

 

Another factor is getting ready for "normal" working hours. The number of people who work overnight--to clean up, collect refuse, or sell fresh fish to restaurants (business hours at the Fulton Fish Market are 1 AM-7 AM daily)--is huge. (Which is one of the reasons for round the clock public transportation.)

 

Safety? Depends entirely on time of day and location, whether above ground or below. That said, things are much better than they were decades ago.


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Posted 21 June 2018 - 12:35 AM

There are famous "breakfast club" recordings from the jazz era of New York. Generally, that was in reference to an early evening performance, which was breakfast time for musicians who had stayed up performing all night.

In Chicago, you see cleaning ladies from the downtown offices going home at 1 A.M. and flight attendants and other airport workers riding the L at 3 or 4. It's interesting to watch the 24 hour bus on a nearby street carrying heavy loads in one direction till about 2 and be standing room only in the other direction after 3.

Red Line is party shuttle central every Thursday-Saturday night.

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 01:04 PM

Well, sure, there is always infrastructure that is going on at all hours. As I drive Uber & Lyft, some of the most interesting stuff happens between 3 and 6 AM.

But like momma used to say, "Nothing good happens East of midnight!"

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 04:20 PM

Also bars and clubs are generally open till 4 AM, sometimes 5 on weekends. I've been to many "big" cities where bars close at 1 or 2 AM.


Bar closing times have more to do with state/city alcohol laws than anything else, so it's not necessarily the best barometer of city awesomeness. (That said, I do have very fond memories of the time I was out with some friends in New York until the bars closed, and then we went to a diner for breakfast. I was still in my 20s then, though!)

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 06:18 PM

 

 

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Safety? Depends entirely on time of day and location, whether above ground or below. That said, things are much better than they were decades ago.

 

 

Which locations are safe, at least until about dark-thirty?  (Reasonably safe for three "mature" ladies?)  Thanks!

 

 

On another, related note:

 

 

New York doesn't compare itself to Chicago. It compares itself to London, Paris, Tokyo, etc.  Which to be fair are three more cities that also sleep.  If I had to pick a city that did the least amount of sleeping I'd probably choose Las Vegas or Manila over New York, but that's not exactly a ringing endorsement.  :wacko:

In terms of world cities, I agree with you. However, many if not most Americans who are visiting New York for the first time have not visited comparable cities in other countries.

 

 

I'm in the definite minority on this.  I've visited several major US cities coast to coast, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Mexico, England, Wales, France, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, and Italy, and have trips planned to the Holy Land and to Maine.  But I've never been near NYC, not even for a connecting flight!  (Closest was probably on the CL on a trip from DC to Chicago--not close.)  This is just plain un-American, so I need to get to NYC before I kick the bucket, LOL.

 

Therefore, advice on safe locations is much appreciated!

 

Thanks for the informative thread, OP, and enjoy your trip.   :)



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Posted 21 June 2018 - 08:16 PM

I feel like any illuminated and well travelled street or area in NYC is going to be safe pretty much all the time. And I really feel like the subways are always safe, since there are lights in all the stations and train cars, and there are pretty much always people there. My point is, I guarantee you'll be fine if you use any common sense.


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Posted 25 June 2018 - 03:00 PM

The Loop in Chicago used to be more 24/7 but after the mid 60's quieted down at night (less retail and bar/restaurant activity, as well as less light manufacturing, such as the Garment District, which closed for the Sears Tower construction). Generally American cities and towns appear quiet to people from some countries - I remember a classmate from the UK in college being shocked at how desolate our college town was at night, even around the bar district.


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Posted 27 June 2018 - 03:59 PM

Anyone ever been to Coney Island? According to Wikipedia, the subway stop is the largest elevated metro stop in North America. They have a boardwalk, a beach, and a few of the amusement park rides escaped the depredations of Robert Moses, Fred Trump, and Rudy Giuliani.

You can also get a Nathan's hot dog at the original stand.

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Posted 27 June 2018 - 04:04 PM

Another possibility I'm considering for my day trip is to ride the A train to Rockaway and return on the NYC Ferry back to Manhattan. Runs hourly, fare is the same as the subway, and you actually ride offshore for a while.




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