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Posted 12 June 2018 - 01:11 AM

You would be correct that section is just one railroad. The line in Bend on the OT is fairly busy. And don't forget to get over to Portland you have to swing down either side of the gorge to find a formidable wall of trains. I want to say you can access the UP side from the Oregon Trunk but it's been awhile since I've been to that part of the Gorge.

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 09:58 PM

Posted today 6/12 by UP...

we anticipate the tunnel will continue to be out of service until June 23.

 

https://www.up.com/c.../CN2018-17.html


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Posted 13 June 2018 - 04:05 PM

Posted today 6/12 by UP...

we anticipate the tunnel will continue to be out of service until June 23.

 

https://www.up.com/c.../CN2018-17.html

 

 

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Posted 15 June 2018 - 10:14 PM

This is sad:

https://www.amtrak.c...-Starlight.html 

 

 

Track Work Affects Coast Starlight Trains 11 & 14 Effective Until Further Notice

Track work being performed by Union Pacific Railroad will affect Coast Starlight service until further notice.

Beginning Monday, June 11
  • Train 14 will operate Los Angeles to Sacramento, only. No alternate transportation will be provided to missed stops at Chico, Redding, Dunsmuir, Klamath Falls, Chemult, Eugene, Albany, Salem, Vancouver, Portland, Kelso, Centralia, Olympia-Lacey, Tacoma and Seattle.
    • Passengers with origin and destination points between Eugene and Seattle may book travel on other Amtrak Cascade Service trains and their connecting Amtrak Thruway buses.
  • Train 11 will originate at Sacramento as of June 12. No alternate transportation will be provided to missed stops at Seattle, Tacoma, Olympia-Lacey, Centralia, Kelso, Vancouver, Portland, Salem, Albany, Eugene, Chemult, Klamath Falls, Dunsmuir, Redding and Chico.
    • Passengers with origin and destination points between Seattle and Eugene may book travel on other Amtrak Cascade Service trains and their connecting Amtrak Thruway buses.
No Sleeping or Dining Car

Until further notice, Trains 11 and 14 will not have sleeping car or dining car accommodations.

 
First bookable date is now Sunday 6/24.



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Posted 15 June 2018 - 10:29 PM

This is sad:

https://www.amtrak.c...-Starlight.html

Track Work Affects Coast Starlight Trains 11 & 14 Effective Until Further Notice

Track work being performed by Union Pacific Railroad will affect Coast Starlight service until further notice.

...

 
First bookable date is now Sunday 6/24.

If Amtrak is playing the Indef game (my jargon for "effective until further notice"), how can a 6/24 onwards can be booked? I think there might be an inconsistency between the notice (infinite) and the reservation system (finite). Don't know how the reservation system works on a disruption that notes the expiration date of infinite.  I know how Amtrak works to some extent, but not the exact inner workings of the reservation system.

 

Also FYI, I was told that you can't find this on the standard alerts page, but instead buried inside the CS information page, which requires some level of digging.


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Posted 15 June 2018 - 10:33 PM

 

If Amtrak is playing the Indef game (my jargon for "effective until further notice"), how can a 6/24 onwards can be booked? I think there might be an inconsistency between the notice (infinite) and the reservation system (finite). Don't know how the reservation system works on a disruption that notes the expiration date of infinite.  I know how Amtrak works to some extent, but not the exact inner workings of the reservation system.

 

Also FYI, I was told that you can't find this on the standard alerts page, but instead buried inside the CS information page, which requires some level of digging.

 

 

That is the latest estimation from UP. However, instead of putting up dates on the alert that keep changing, they just put it up until further notice. Additionally, UP could wrap up the work prior to the estimated date of completion.  if that occurs, the stub train will not run until the 24th. They'll restore normal service ASAP.

 

As for the res system, they block indefinitely if they so desired. However, it blocked until the latest estimated completion date.


Edited by Thirdrail7, 15 June 2018 - 10:35 PM.

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Posted 16 June 2018 - 02:00 AM

As for the res system, they block indefinitely if they so desired.

Just out of curiosity, have such actions ever been done in the last 15 years?


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Posted 16 June 2018 - 02:48 AM

That is the latest estimation from UP. However, instead of putting up dates on the alert that keep changing, they just put it up until further notice. Additionally, UP could wrap up the work prior to the estimated date of completion.  if that occurs, the stub train will not run until the 24th. They'll restore normal service ASAP.

It appears that that according to a reliable UP source, the SLC reroutes are expected to last for another month. Looks like another twist to the plot is brewing. Don't know how the two will be intertwined. Nobody on Train Orders brought up this information, at least from what I can see.


Edited by bmjhagen9426, 16 June 2018 - 02:51 AM.

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Posted 16 June 2018 - 06:28 AM

 

As for the res system, they block indefinitely if they so desired.

Just out of curiosity, have such actions ever been done in the last 15 years?

 

 

Yes, they have...although it rarely happens with rarely with scheduled passenger trains.

 

 

It appears that that according to a reliable UP source, the SLC reroutes are expected to last for another month. Looks like another twist to the plot is brewing. Don't know how the two will be intertwined. Nobody on Train Orders brought up this information, at least from what I can see.

 

 

All in all, it's just another brick in the wall.


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Posted 16 June 2018 - 10:03 AM

 

 

As for the res system, they block indefinitely if they so desired.

Just out of curiosity, have such actions ever been done in the last 15 years?

 

 

Yes, they have...although it rarely happens with rarely with scheduled passenger trains.

 

 

It appears that that according to a reliable UP source, the SLC reroutes are expected to last for another month. Looks like another twist to the plot is brewing. Don't know how the two will be intertwined. Nobody on Train Orders brought up this information, at least from what I can see.

 

 

All in all, it's just another brick in the wall.

 

Another brick in the wall...what does that mean? I have two reservations happening next month, and I have yet to be contacted.


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Posted 16 June 2018 - 04:27 PM

 

I have two reservations happening next month, and I have yet to be contacted.

 

 

 

I am in the same boat.   My train leaves  July 1 Eugene to Sacramento.   I have an extra problem that I will have a bicycle with me.   I am trying to figure out a contingency plan.

 

Ideas  I have so far are:

 

1.  One way rental to Kalmath Falls but in my searching I can find no one way rentals.

 

2.  Rent a small UHaul.  Probably going to be hugely expensive. 

 

3.  Fly but that would mean packing my bike which is a hassle and takes time.  I could ship it straight home but then I won't have it with me in Sacramento, in Chicago and when I get home.   My bike was my ride back home.  And I might not be able to get a reservation last minute. 

 

4. I belong to a bicycle touring organization.   Last resort I could impose on my host to drive me to Klamath Falls but hate doing that.

 

If anyone has some ideas I am all eyes. ;)

 

I sure hope the train runs by the first.  That is well past the 23rd date they are giving but from the article I read they are not even certain yet what they will actually find.  This not knowing really stinks.  


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Posted 16 June 2018 - 04:38 PM

Hers is the article I found

 

http://www.thenewstr...e213067744.html

 

This is what concerns me.

 

As of Thursday morning, repairs should be finished by June 23, said Union Pacific spokesman Justin Jacobs.

"That is subject to change as crews dig that out," Jacobs said.

 

"As we get in there, it’s a little more severe than what we thought," Jacobs said.


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Posted 16 June 2018 - 05:41 PM

 

 

I have two reservations happening next month, and I have yet to be contacted.

 

 

 

I am in the same boat.   My train leaves  July 1 Eugene to Sacramento.   I have an extra problem that I will have a bicycle with me.   I am trying to figure out a contingency plan.

 

Ideas  I have so far are:

 

1.  One way rental to Kalmath Falls but in my searching I can find no one way rentals.

 

2.  Rent a small UHaul.  Probably going to be hugely expensive. 

 

3.  Fly but that would mean packing my bike which is a hassle and takes time.  I could ship it straight home but then I won't have it with me in Sacramento, in Chicago and when I get home.   My bike was my ride back home.  And I might not be able to get a reservation last minute. 

 

4. I belong to a bicycle touring organization.   Last resort I could impose on my host to drive me to Klamath Falls but hate doing that.

 

If anyone has some ideas I am all eyes. ;)

 

I sure hope the train runs by the first.  That is well past the 23rd date they are giving but from the article I read they are not even certain yet what they will actually find.  This not knowing really stinks.  

 

It's even worse than you think - Amtrak is currently not running any trains between Eugene and Sacramento. You can either hope for the best or be prepared to fly or take (gulp) Greyhound from Eugene to Sacramento.



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Posted 16 June 2018 - 05:45 PM

"No diner" is sad - this is a 14-15 hour trip and southbound would normally serve three meals over this stretch. I guess we can relabel it "Palmetto West" for now...



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Posted 16 June 2018 - 06:02 PM

It's even worse than you think - Amtrak is currently not running any trains between Eugene and Sacramento. You can either hope for the best or be prepared to fly or take (gulp) Greyhound from Eugene to Sacramento.

 

 

 

This is horrible.  I thought they were at least going to Klamath Falls  from Sacramento but that is not the case.   Why isn't the train going from Klamath Falls??

 

Greyhound is not an option for me as I already stated. They don't take bikes.


Edited by spinnaker, 16 June 2018 - 06:03 PM.


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Posted 16 June 2018 - 08:05 PM

As for the res system, they block indefinitely if they so desired.

Just out of curiosity, have such actions ever been done in the last 15 years?

 
Yes, they have...although it rarely happens with rarely with scheduled passenger trains.

 

And it has happened to the CS. I rode it a few years ago between SJC and SNS when it was a shortened train with just coaxhes and a SSL. Service that say was terminated north of SAC.

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Posted 16 June 2018 - 11:43 PM

Crew on the northbound Starlight today said that the route will be Sacramento - LA "for the foreseeable future". Similar comments heading south on Thursday.

 

Lots of rumors elsewhere on the Interwebs, all pointing to a fix later rather than sooner. It seems like there's two problems that are making a repair date unpredictable: 1. the collapse is inside the tunnel, which means that the workspace is very constricted, and 2. the ground above the tunnel is unstable, so no one is sure how more work needs to be done.

 

Spinnaker, I feel your pain. North/south travel options on the west coast are pretty poor. I got stuck in Bend last year, and ending up doing a one-way car rental to Sacramento. I just checked Hertz – one way, Eugene to Sacto on 1 July is around $200. That'd be cheaper than flying with a bike, even adding in gas. It's nice drive, although that's not much consolation.


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Posted 17 June 2018 - 12:51 AM

Crew on the northbound Starlight today said that the route will be Sacramento - LA "for the foreseeable future". Similar comments heading south on Thursday.

 

Lots of rumors elsewhere on the Interwebs, all pointing to a fix later rather than sooner. It seems like there's two problems that are making a repair date unpredictable: 1. the collapse is inside the tunnel, which means that the workspace is very constricted, and 2. the ground above the tunnel is unstable, so no one is sure how more work needs to be done.

 

Spinnaker, I feel your pain. North/south travel options on the west coast are pretty poor. I got stuck in Bend last year, and ending up doing a one-way car rental to Sacramento. I just checked Hertz – one way, Eugene to Sacto on 1 July is around $200. That'd be cheaper than flying with a bike, even adding in gas. It's nice drive, although that's not much consolation.

I was never contacted. I have a concern as well. Four trips for the next two months (between 7/15 and 8/31). There seems to be a lot of speculation, with each conflicting the other, as to the exact dates. Does anyone have the link to the latest UP memo?


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Posted 17 June 2018 - 02:22 AM

 

It's even worse than you think - Amtrak is currently not running any trains between Eugene and Sacramento. You can either hope for the best or be prepared to fly or take (gulp) Greyhound from Eugene to Sacramento.

 

 

 

This is horrible.  I thought they were at least going to Klamath Falls  from Sacramento but that is not the case.   Why isn't the train going from Klamath Falls??

 

Greyhound is not an option for me as I already stated. They don't take bikes.

 

 

First, isn't there an oversized fee for bicycles?  It's easy enough to disassemble one and place it in a box like you would on Amtrak.

 

As for getting up to Klamath Falls, I think the question is where it could be turned around and serviced.  The CS normally only turns around at yards in LA and Seattle.  There's a yard in Sacramento.



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Posted 17 June 2018 - 02:31 AM

 

It's even worse than you think - Amtrak is currently not running any trains between Eugene and Sacramento. You can either hope for the best or be prepared to fly or take (gulp) Greyhound from Eugene to Sacramento.

 

 

 

This is horrible.  I thought they were at least going to Klamath Falls  from Sacramento but that is not the case.   Why isn't the train going from Klamath Falls??

 

Greyhound is not an option for me as I already stated. They don't take bikes.

 

Since when does Greyhound not take bikes?  You have to have it in a bike box (front wheel and pedals removed, and handlebar turned).  Some terminals sell the boxes if available, but better to get one in advance.  Some bike shops have them.   If you travel frequently, you can also get a permanent bike bag or carrier.

Eugene to Sacramento is about a 10-12 hour trip on Greyhound, depending on which of the four daily trips you book....


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