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#41 tricia

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Posted 25 May 2018 - 06:24 AM

reading the statements by the family on that Facebook page makes me sick. Amtrak police is telling the family it was a suicide attempt?

We (me included) are whining about boxed meals, meanwhile Passengers are being raped and beaten on Amtrak trains and Amtrak always says it's not their fault.

 

Thanks for posting this. While reading this thread, I too have been thinking about other incidents, particularly the case of rape on the EB discussed here.



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Posted 25 May 2018 - 07:04 AM

The news story I read mentioned burn marks on the legs. How do you get that jumping off a moving train?

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Posted 25 May 2018 - 10:54 AM

One of the linked to news articles noted Aaron's family said the burns (severe) are on the insides of his thighs.

 

From what I have read I think he was assaulted on the train by his new "friend", rendered unconscious, and then thrown off the train by his assailant.

 

Did the 5 (13) have a coach/bag car in the consist?

If so the baggage area would be a place Aaron could have been assaulted.


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Posted 25 May 2018 - 11:13 AM

I don't think the zephyr typically operates with a coach / baggage.

The friend adds an interesting twist, but I still fail to make the direct connection to the friend being the attacker. That's certainly a possibility, but the friend could have also reported the guy missing and be ignored by Amtrak personell, and that would be another reason everything is so hush hush. This is a very troubling case, and it looks like it's all happened before, on the same route years ago.(Robin Putnmam case).

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Posted 25 May 2018 - 11:39 AM

Just as a point of clarification, as the question has come up:  Even if the Zephyr isn't scheduled to use a coach/baggage car, such a car can often be found in a train's consist to provide the needed coach capacity, either as an added car or as a substitute for a regular coach if one of the latter is not available.


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Posted 25 May 2018 - 11:54 AM

It's also normal for the door to the coach portion of a lower level car to be closed. That blocks off a lot of noise and vision for the few coach passengers riding in that section.

Of course we can't rule out that this happened in an employee only area of the train.

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Posted 25 May 2018 - 12:06 PM

The only information about the "burns" on his legs comes from the family. The family's initial statement described it as "a mysterious rash or burn". It later became "severe burns". Friction burns from hanging onto something? Something completely unrelated to the incident? Something that's nothing but has grown in the telling?

 

The news story I read mentioned burn marks on the legs. How do you get that jumping off a moving train?


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Posted 25 May 2018 - 04:43 PM

Oregon members of congress are getting involved. Guess they see the potential of "criminal intent" that Amtrak PD seems to be incapable of thinking of.

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Posted 25 May 2018 - 06:46 PM

I don't think the zephyr typically operates with a coach / baggage.

If you go to AU member Agent's YouTube channel (he is A. train there) you will see the CZ often has a coach/bag in it's consist.

Agent shoots video of the CZ almost daily.

 

Whatever happened, in the news Amtrak PD is looking less than competent.


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Posted 25 May 2018 - 07:05 PM

 

I don't think the zephyr typically operates with a coach / baggage.

If you go to AU member Agent's YouTube channel (he is A. train there) you will see the CZ often has a coach/bag in it's consist.

Agent shoots video of the CZ almost daily.

 

Whatever happened, in the news Amtrak PD is looking less than competent.

 

Great channel, BTW. Here's the link to all his CZ catches. Almost all of them have a coach baggage.


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Posted 26 May 2018 - 02:37 PM

Here's some coverage that also lists other incidents: Amtrak gay mystery deepens as more deaths, injuries revealed.


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Posted 26 May 2018 - 02:49 PM

Here's some coverage that also lists other incidents: Amtrak gay mystery deepens as more deaths, injuries revealed.

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Posted 26 May 2018 - 03:36 PM

Makes me wonder if an employee is a serial killer . . .

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Posted 26 May 2018 - 03:58 PM

Makes me wonder if an employee is a serial killer . . .

That thought crossed my mind, too! That theory should be easy to check out! I hate to say it, but I wouldn't have thought an employee would be charged with rape, either! I'm not in Law Enforcement, so I'll shut up!!!


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Posted 26 May 2018 - 04:42 PM

If Amtrak kept records of who was working those trains it is easy to check. Of course I’m sure law enforcement does not need any help with this.

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Posted 26 May 2018 - 05:19 PM

One of those cases, a victim got off the train with another woman before his stop. This might be a case of correlation does not mean causation.

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Posted 26 May 2018 - 05:46 PM

One of those cases, a victim got off the train with another woman before his stop. This might be a case of correlation does not mean causation.


The case where he got off in Salt Lake City? That was the official story until his remains were found by the side of the tracks BEFORE Salt Lake City. Read about it. Another young male, traveling alone, going home to visit family on the same route.

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Posted 26 May 2018 - 06:13 PM

How is it possible for a rape and/or assault to occur on a train without a dozen or more people hearing it?



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Posted 26 May 2018 - 06:26 PM

One of those cases, a victim got off the train with another woman before his stop. This might be a case of correlation does not mean causation.

The case where he got off in Salt Lake City? That was the official story until his remains were found by the side of the tracks BEFORE Salt Lake City. Read about it. Another young male, traveling alone, going home to visit family on the same route.

I actually read it from a different news site, but rereading shows I misread it. The CZ cases are concerning. I do wonder how its possible considering all the eyes in coach and the thin walls in the sleeper, but the rape case shows it unfortunately has happened.

I suppose the important lesson here is dont trust people you meet on the train and lock your compartment doors. I wish Amtrak would be more open with these cases too.

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Posted 26 May 2018 - 10:38 PM

How is it possible for a rape and/or assault to occur on a train without a dozen or more people hearing it?

 

I can't tell if you're being serious or sheltered.  If you really want an answer there are any number of true crime books, documentaries, podcasts, interrogation transcripts, forensic reports, and case studies that can answer those sorts of questions in excruciating detail.


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