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#21 PRR 60

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 04:02 PM

 

 

 

At least this will keep the interiors fresh until the Acela IIs show up in about three years. But this opens up the age old question, whats going to happen to the first gen Acelas in about three years. Do you redo interiors only to mothball them in three to four years time.?

 

The article already answers this.

 

 

 

All trainsets in the current fleet will be retired in early 2022.

 

So Amtrak is spending $4 million for something that will only last 3-4 years? Seems like a poor use of funds to me.

Aren't the current interiors the ones that came with the Acelas? 

 

The current ones are original (though they might have done some minor touch ups here and there).

 

As to it being a poor use of funds: If the car interiors are really becoming rundown or dated and seem unbecoming of a "flagship service," I would say a total overhaul and refurbishment is justifiable, even if it'll only be relevant for the next few years. I would say this was long overdue, but was most likely prohibited by poor funding and oversight. So while it might have been more worth it to do it years ago, you can't change the past, and doing so at this point is still better than not doing it at all.

 

 

Not so. The Acela interiors have been upgraded at least once, including changing the seats from the original cloth to leather.



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Posted 16 May 2018 - 04:13 PM

 


 


 
So Amtrak is spending $4 million for something that will only last 3-4 years? Seems like a poor use of funds to me.
Aren't the current interiors the ones that came with the Acelas? 
 

The current ones are original (though they might have done some minor touch ups here and there).
 
As to it being a poor use of funds: If the car interiors are really becoming rundown or dated and seem unbecoming of a "flagship service," I would say a total overhaul and refurbishment is justifiable, even if it'll only be relevant for the next few years. I would say this was long overdue, but was most likely prohibited by poor funding and oversight. So while it might have been more worth it to do it years ago, you can't change the past, and doing so at this point is still better than not doing it at all.
 
 
Not so. The Acela interiors have been upgraded at least once, including changing the seats from the original cloth to leather.
 
 
 
The Acela interiors were overhauled three times. This will make the fourth . As Cpotisch mentioned, the interiors are starting to wear and it hardly justifies the price it commands as a premium service.
 
Additionally, the 3-4 years is a lot of usage for these trains. What if the new sets aren't ready by 2022 as predicted? If they stop maintaining and overhauling them now, it may become painful later. One only needs to look to the Heritage dining car fleet to see what happens if you count your cars before they arrive.

Edited by Thirdrail7, 17 May 2018 - 07:52 AM.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 04:47 AM

I basically presume we won't see the last of the existing Acelas until 2023.  This isn't to speak ill of the new sets, but I presume something will delay the project.


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Posted 17 May 2018 - 11:20 AM

Is there any reason the acela equipment could not be moved to the keystone service? Is there maintenance facility in sunnyside?

Another interesting idea is to use them for harrisburg Washington trips and harrisburg Boston trips.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 11:42 AM

 

 

 

 

At least this will keep the interiors fresh until the Acela IIs show up in about three years. But this opens up the age old question, whats going to happen to the first gen Acelas in about three years. Do you redo interiors only to mothball them in three to four years time.?

 

The article already answers this.

 

 

 

All trainsets in the current fleet will be retired in early 2022.

 

So Amtrak is spending $4 million for something that will only last 3-4 years? Seems like a poor use of funds to me.

Aren't the current interiors the ones that came with the Acelas? 

 

The current ones are original (though they might have done some minor touch ups here and there).

 

As to it being a poor use of funds: If the car interiors are really becoming rundown or dated and seem unbecoming of a "flagship service," I would say a total overhaul and refurbishment is justifiable, even if it'll only be relevant for the next few years. I would say this was long overdue, but was most likely prohibited by poor funding and oversight. So while it might have been more worth it to do it years ago, you can't change the past, and doing so at this point is still better than not doing it at all.

 

 

Not so. The Acela interiors have been upgraded at least once, including changing the seats from the original cloth to leather.

 

I stand (well, sitting at the moment), corrected!

 

I guess it just feels like the interiors are original. 

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 03:33 PM

Is there any reason the acela equipment could not be moved to the keystone service? Is there maintenance facility in sunnyside?

Another interesting idea is to use them for harrisburg Washington trips and harrisburg Boston trips.

The Acela sets don't have trap doors like the Amfleets do, so they can only serve high-level platforms.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 03:43 PM

Is there any reason the acela equipment could not be moved to the keystone service? Is there maintenance facility in sunnyside?

Another interesting idea is to use them for harrisburg Washington trips and harrisburg Boston trips.

The Acela sets don't have trap doors like the Amfleets do, so they can only serve high-level platforms.

Oh I forgot about that. But they could work for express service that stops at high level stations only before continuing to Boston or Washington.

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Posted 17 May 2018 - 08:44 PM

 

 

Is there any reason the acela equipment could not be moved to the keystone service? Is there maintenance facility in sunnyside?

Another interesting idea is to use them for harrisburg Washington trips and harrisburg Boston trips.

The Acela sets don't have trap doors like the Amfleets do, so they can only serve high-level platforms.

Oh I forgot about that. But they could work for express service that stops at high level stations only before continuing to Boston or Washington.

 

 

 

The main reason reason the Acela sets will get benched ASAP is the same reason they had to bench equipment like the AEM-7s, HHP-8s and Heritage Fleet.  They are old and finding parts for them is a challenge. A lot of the companies that made parts for the Acela sets and HHP-8s are no longer in business. This makes them expensive to maintain.

 

 

I don't expect the ACS-64s to make it much past  the 20 year service mark for the same reason.


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Posted 17 May 2018 - 08:47 PM

Thank you third rail. I didn’t think about the shortage of parts and they are now obsolete.




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