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#1 NS VIA Fan

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Posted 08 May 2018 - 10:17 AM

The introduction of the 737 MAX 8 has opened up opportunities for new transatlantic routes using the smaller long range, narrow body aircraft in smaller markets.

Norwegian Air..has service from Europe to smaller US airports for example Stewart/Newburgh NY and Providence RI

Here in Atlantic Canada....Air Canada will be using the MAX 8 on routes between Halifax and London Heathrow and between St. Johns, Newfoundland and Heathrow.

WestJet has MAX 8s between Halifax and London Gatwick and from Halifax to Paris.

Icelandair is also flying the MAX 8 from Halifax to Reykjavik beginning this summer.

.....and since the Atlantic crossing is short from here..... WestJet can also use a 737-7 on routes between St. Johns and Dublin and from Halifax to Glasgow.

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And for the first time ever.....although not on a MAX 8....the French Islands of St. Pierre et Miquelon (near the coast of Newfoundland) will have non-stop transatlantic flights to Paris on a ASL French Airlines 737.

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Posted 08 May 2018 - 10:37 AM

The first time I flew across the Atlantic on a 737 was on a 737BBJ used by PrivatAir on a Luftahnsa coded all business class flight from Stuttgart to Newark, several years ago. it was a very nice and classy flight with excellent food and service.



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Posted 08 May 2018 - 11:55 AM

I think a 737 on these routes would be great--if seat pitch were 35" or better, and the configurations was 2-2. :P



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Posted 08 May 2018 - 11:58 AM

I think a 737 on these routes would be great--if seat pitch were 35" or better, and the configurations was 2-2. :P

A 737, or for that matter any narrow body plane with that layout would be better on any route :P


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Posted 08 May 2018 - 12:05 PM

Norwegian's transatlantic flights on the MAX are dirt cheap - one way fares start at $80 (for a short time they were as low as $65). Unfortunately, New Yorkers have to fly through Newburgh, and you have to pay extra to pick seats and get dinner, but at those prices, I'd say it's worth it.


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Posted 08 May 2018 - 04:32 PM

Newburg is tough to get to using public transit, as well.  This, in spite of the fact that the Port Authority at one time wanted high speed rail between there and the city.



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Posted 08 May 2018 - 04:52 PM

So when does Southwest start Midway-Gatwick flights?

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Posted 08 May 2018 - 05:21 PM

So when does Southwest start Midway-Gatwick flights?

 

Probably never, as Midway's runway is likely too short to accommodate a fully loaded 737 MAX 8 on takeoff.


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Posted 08 May 2018 - 05:30 PM

Pilots tell me that landing at Midway is a “controlled crash!”

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Posted 08 May 2018 - 07:28 PM

The "circle 22" at MDW is a real doozy of an approach:  a steep left bank about a mile out from the end of the runway.  BTW, the runway in Brownsville, TX is longer than any of Midway's.


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Posted 08 May 2018 - 08:02 PM

 

So when does Southwest start Midway-Gatwick flights?

 

Probably never, as Midway's runway is likely too short to accommodate a fully loaded 737 MAX 8 on takeoff.

 

The MAX 8 is effectively the successor to the -700, and Boeing claims that the MAX has significantly better takeoff field performance than the NextGen. Since Southwest already flies dozens of 737-700s to Midway, I don't see why it couldn't handle the MAX 8.


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Posted 08 May 2018 - 11:21 PM

Handling a MAX 8 and handling a max take off weight MAX 8 are two entirely different things. For a trans Atlantic flight it will have to be at close to MTOW.

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Posted 08 May 2018 - 11:32 PM

The Max 8 is the successor to the 800,  Max 7 the 700. A Max 8 could fly in and out of Midway, but not at the highest maximum gross weights. Fully loaded and fueled for long stage lengths Midway would be considered too short for safe ops. The airport planning graphs are available from Boeing.



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Posted 10 May 2018 - 12:12 AM

IIRC, the B757 is probably the largest airliner that can use Midway...I don't believe any are currently still flying from there...


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Posted 10 May 2018 - 01:42 AM

Norwegian's transatlantic flights on the MAX are dirt cheap - one way fares start at $80 (for a short time they were as low as $65). Unfortunately...you have to pay extra to pick seats and get dinner, but at those prices, I'd say it's worth it.


Even a free ticket wouldn't be worth it. Norwegian can take their 29-inch knee crushing seat pitch and shove it up their turbofan.

 

Pilots tell me that landing at Midway is a “controlled crash!”


Sometimes it's an uncontrolled crash.

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IIRC, the B757 is probably the largest airliner that can use Midway...I don't believe any are currently still flying from there...


The 757 as a family has an unusually strong thrust to weight ratio. That being said, each series and model has distinct thrust ratings, min/max gross weights, and initial takeoff performance. These and other variables will factor into minimum required takeoff distance.


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Posted 10 May 2018 - 09:41 AM

Yep...that's why the 757-200 is so popular for flying into Colorado and Wyoming ski area airports.   I've flown them into Eagle, Hayden, Montrose, Gunnison, and Jackson... :cool:


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Posted 10 May 2018 - 10:07 AM

Back in the days, before the more capable second generation A320s and 737s came out, 757s were the aircraft that were most commonly used to travel to Lhasa Gonggar Airport. It was fun to takeoff from there using most of the looooong runway and then climbing and climbing and climbing and still have peaks on both sides higher than you were! The flight that I took from Lhasa to Kathmandu (China Southern Airline) flew almost directly over Mt. Everest. Of course first it had to climb all the way up to 35,000' or some such before trying to go across the main Himalayan Range. The main range there contains almost half of the world's five mile plus peaks.

 

One neat feature of Lhasa Airport that I remember is that after the door was closed upon completion of boarding, and the engines started, the plane got pressurized on the ground and you suddenly started feeling much better with way more oxygen. Lhasa Airport is at almost 12,000' above MSL.


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Posted 10 May 2018 - 03:16 PM

Going out of Missoula, MT requires a 360 turn and steep climb to go east.



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Posted 10 May 2018 - 09:24 PM

The 757 had a reputation as one of the best performing airliners for climb out on takeoff while losing an engine. This made it the perfect aircraft for some of those tricky performance locations.



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Posted 10 May 2018 - 10:51 PM

Best "hot-rod" since the 727? :)

Used to love to fly in those "three-holer's".   It was amazing, watching their wings seemingly disassemble on approach...

I went on a Travel Agent "Fam" trip back in 1973...TWA took us on a 'dinner flight' from Denver - Stapleton to the Grand Canyon and back at sunset....

The Captain deployed those flaps for a nice flight right through the canyon, turned around and did it again the other way, and then took us home....spectacular at sunset!

I'll never forget it... :cool:


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