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#21 CAQuail

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Posted 07 May 2018 - 10:15 AM

As has been pointed out, the rail lines to Mackinaw City were ripped up in the late 80s early 90s.  The former NYC line now ends at Gaylord and the former PRR ends in Petoskey.  The rail lines that are still in place are dark territory, and lets not even bring up PTC.  You might be able to develop service to Marquette and Escanaba, but first you would have to get Wisconsin to extend service to Green Bay (which never seems to be in any of Wisconsin's plans that I see).   



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Posted 07 May 2018 - 10:41 AM

Wisconsin's current political climate notwithstanding, Milwaukee-Green Bay service has been in the state rail plans, but after Milwaukee-Madison service and possibly Madison-St. Paul service. In other words, maybe someday, but don't hold your breath.



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Posted 07 May 2018 - 04:13 PM

Wait!  I forgot that we Yoopers have our very own "passenger train":  http://trainandboattours.com/


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Posted 07 May 2018 - 08:52 PM

My folks grew up in the U.P., where snow piled to the second story of their homes was common in winter and summer was 3 days in August. Won’t be easy for a seasonal train to cover its costs.


I have relatives near L’Anse (90 minutes SW of Marquette and have been told there’s still snow on the ground in the deep woods in mid-July. Not that it has anything to do with Amtrak extension but just gives an idea of just how cold and snowy it is up there. I do know there used to be passenger rail in the UP as my late mother told me stories of the flag stops the had along the track, even for emergencies to get to a hospital.....quite dramatic indeed!

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Posted 07 May 2018 - 10:03 PM

So do I (in L’Anse) — a cousin who practiced medicine there for more than 30 years. Others lived in Duluth, Marquette, Negaunee, Gwinn, and downstate. I have stood on the shore of Lake Superior near Munising in May with snow and ice still piled along the shoreline. And then the black flies and mosquitoes and night crawlers emerge ....

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Posted 07 May 2018 - 10:40 PM

Wait!  I forgot that we Yoopers have our very own "passenger train":  http://trainandboattours.com/

You don't have too far to go to experience a "real" train...   :) http://www.agawatrain.com

 

I just learned that unfortunately, it has also been reduced to just a seasonal tourist ride to the Agawa Canyon and return...no more connections to VIARail  at Oba or Franz... :(


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Posted 07 May 2018 - 10:43 PM

 

Wait!  I forgot that we Yoopers have our very own "passenger train":  http://trainandboattours.com/

You don't have too far to go to experience a "real" train... http://www.agawatrain.com/media/1118/agawa-canyon-brochure-2018.pdf  :)

 

I just learned that unfortunately, it has also been reduced to just a seasonal tourist ride to the Agawa Canyon and return...no more connections to VIARail  at Oba or Franz... :(

 

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Posted 07 May 2018 - 11:46 PM

Fixed  ...http://www.agawatrain.com


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Posted 08 May 2018 - 07:28 AM

Passenger rail service in UP is an interesting "pipe dream" but I'd be forced to ask, "What's in the pipe?"

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Posted 08 May 2018 - 11:46 AM

The last time passenger cars were ferried across the Straits was 8/1/1955. There was a through car from the NYC, originating in Detroit and connecting to the DSS&A's "Lake Superior Limited." The DSS&A's last passenger run from St. Ignace, by then an RDC, was on 1/12/1958. The Pennsylvania's "Northern Arrow" to Mackinaw City, by then a summer-only weekend operation, last ran in Sept. 1961. It originated in Cincinnati and right until the end carried sleepers from Chicago via Fort Wayne, and sleepers from St. Louis and Indianapolis via Richmond, IN. In Sept. 1962 the NYC discontinued the daily RDC "Northerner" (Beeliner) between Detroit and Mackinaw City. 1963 was the last year of NYC's summer-only, weekend "Timberliner" between Detroit and Mackinaw City.



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Posted 08 May 2018 - 02:24 PM

So do I (in L’Anse) — a cousin who practiced medicine there for more than 30 years. Others lived in Duluth, Marquette, Negaunee, Gwinn, and downstate. I have stood on the shore of Lake Superior near Munising in May with snow and ice still piled along the shoreline. And then the black flies and mosquitoes and night crawlers emerge ....


Oh gawd, the black flies. I went to Whitefish Point some years back and they were swarming all over, caking the grills of vehicles in the lot and chewing up skin to no end. I didn’t experience any at my late mom’s cousin’s farm in Covington (just south of L’Anse) in recent years, however. They’re just plain nasty.

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Posted 08 May 2018 - 03:22 PM

Ugh, black flies! Drove us out of Labrador (yeah, WAY off topic) when I was a teenager, after one night.

 

I had a nice chat a few years ago with a charming elderly woman who was talking about skiing up in Wisconsin "oh, but in those days you could take a train right to the slopes from Chicago!" - never got to where she had gone, but that certainly would be nice. If the Rockford and eventual, fingers crossed, Galena (and Quad Cities) service is a success in Illinois you can bet Wisconsin isn't going to want to be left out from having state perks.


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Posted 08 May 2018 - 05:58 PM

The Copper Country Limited was ended 50 years ago this year back on March 7th operaring between Chicago and Calumet Michigan. It was opered by the DSS&A and the Milwaukee Road. The Soo Line continued the DSS&A operation after the 1961 DSS&A-Soo-Wisconsin Central mearger.

The C&NW operated north of Green Bay on Sundays only to Menomonee, MI into 1970. The last passenger service in the UP operated as a mixed train servince into 1986.

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Posted 11 May 2018 - 11:28 PM

 

Years ago I rode on the Agawa train, and that was a very cool experience! Glad I did that with my family, when we crossed over to the Ontario side of SSM. Stinks if they've reduced the number of days it runs on, vs. years ago if that's indeed what was done in the last few years. Hope it continues to run for years to come, and isn't eliminated.

 

 

As has been pointed out, the rail lines to Mackinaw City were ripped up in the late 80s early 90s.  The former NYC line now ends at Gaylord and the former PRR ends in Petoskey.  The rail lines that are still in place are dark territory, and lets not even bring up PTC.  You might be able to develop service to Marquette and Escanaba, but first you would have to get Wisconsin to extend service to Green Bay (which never seems to be in any of Wisconsin's plans that I see).   

 

I wish those areas of northern Wisconsin and the Upper Peninsula could get some sort of Amtrak rail service, but I'm not holding my breath it'll happen anytime soon if ever. Sigh, I haven't seen any movement on Amtrak introducing train service from Chicago to either Dubuque, or towards the Quad Cities as was once proposed! It'd at least be nice, if at minimum Amtrak service could be restored between Minneapolis-Saint Paul and Duluth!



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Posted 12 May 2018 - 12:12 PM

Im not familiar with this territory but Im struggling to figure out why this is in the Amtrak forum. What am I missing?

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Posted 12 May 2018 - 12:26 PM

Im not familiar with this territory but Im struggling to figure out why this is in the Amtrak forum. What am I missing?

Depending if this thread is interpreted as being primarily about the history of railroads in the region or a potential future Amtrak route it probably either belongs in Miscellaneous Rail Forums or the Amtrak's Future category.
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Posted 12 May 2018 - 12:52 PM

 

Im not familiar with this territory but Im struggling to figure out why this is in the Amtrak forum. What am I missing?

Depending if this thread is interpreted as being primarily about the history of railroads in the region or a potential future Amtrak route it probably either belongs in Miscellaneous Rail Forums or the Amtrak's Future category.

 

Since Amtrak really has not been the focus so far, I think the Miscellaneous Forum is most fitting.


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Posted 12 May 2018 - 06:05 PM

It got moved. Now in the "Freight, International, and Other Rail" subform.


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Posted 13 May 2018 - 11:36 PM


 
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Here’s a crazy idea.....terminate service on both sides of the bridge, St. Ignace and Mackinaw City and bus across the bridge.[/quote]

Or walk across the bridge, as the public is permitted to do the first Monday of each September (and which I did in 1972).




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