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#21 frequentflyer

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Posted 30 April 2018 - 10:45 PM

Big congrats on the new train service, but why is NC buying a hodge podge of equipment?



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Posted 01 May 2018 - 05:27 AM

Big congrats on the new train service, but why is NC buying a hodge podge of equipment?

They're not buying a hodge podge of equipment.  They buy old, worn out equipment of the same general configuration and then have it gutted and rebuilt.  They find it's cheaper than buying new.

 

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Posted 01 May 2018 - 07:05 AM

Here's another article with more detail.

 

Here's NCDOT info on the station.

 

Notice that there is no free parking at the new station.  At the station is limited short-term parking for $1.25 per hour, with a maximum of two hours.  Long-term parking is in a parking deck across the street for $2 per hour with a maximum of $18 per day.

 

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Old: Phoebe Snow (EL), Montrealer (AT), Laurentian (D&H)

RBBB: St. Petersburg - W. Palm Beach, Lakeland - Atlanta, Baltimore - NYC, Rochester, NY - Hartford, Albuquerque - Salt Lake City, Denver - Chicago

Modern: Ocean (VIA), Silver Star, Capitol Limited, Texas Eagle, Autotrain, Carolinian, Southwest Chief, California Zephyr, Lake Shore Limited

 


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Posted 01 May 2018 - 09:21 AM

I've read there are only 75 parking spaces in that deck set aside for Amtrak. Will be interesting to see whether it fills up. 



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Posted 01 May 2018 - 03:33 PM

Here's another article with more detail.

 

Here's NCDOT info on the station.

 

Notice that there is no free parking at the new station.  At the station is limited short-term parking for $1.25 per hour, with a maximum of two hours.  Long-term parking is in a parking deck across the street for $2 per hour with a maximum of $18 per day.

 

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I use and will continue to use Cary station where parking is free when I drive over to the east of the state to go to the NorthEast.



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Posted 02 May 2018 - 08:56 AM

People in north Raleigh or north Wake County taking the NB Carolinian or Silver Star to Virginia or points north can save about 45 minutes by driving to Rocky Mount and catching the train there, compared to catching the train at Cary or Raleigh. Rocky Mount has free parking, too.

 

The problem since 1986 has been that NB Amtrak trains run southeast from Raleigh on NS before turning north on CSX at Selma. Given that NS, NCRR, and NCDOT have raised MAS for most of Raleigh-Selma to 79 and that CSX runs 79, the only thing to eliminate the 45 minute gap is restoring the S-line between Raleigh and Petersburg (or Raleigh-Norlina-Weldon-Petersburg). Very little chance of that in the foreseeable future!


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Posted 02 May 2018 - 03:43 PM

Also could do substantial upgrades to the line from Raleigh to Wilson. But doubtful that makes sense. Much more sense to restore the Seaboard.
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Posted 02 May 2018 - 03:55 PM

"Substantial" is a mild word! Although the track is welded rail that Southern installed in the 1970s after acquiring the original Norfolk Southern, it has received virtually no maintenance in decades. It's dark. The western half of it is curvy. Trains would have to do a backup move at Raleigh's new $113 million station unless another $25 million or so is spent to put a platform on the ex-SAL and add a station track. (This was factored into the design of the station as a future, by the way, for SEHSR.) Either way you route trains, leaving Raleigh northbound you would have to pass through a freight yard. At Wilson, it intersects with CSX at an acute angle. The housing development in the north quadrant would have to be torn out.

 

This was studied during the early phases of SEHSR and rejected as impractical.


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Posted 19 May 2018 - 02:32 PM

Here's another article with more detail.

 

Here's NCDOT info on the station.

 

Notice that there is no free parking at the new station.  At the station is limited short-term parking for $1.25 per hour, with a maximum of two hours.  Long-term parking is in a parking deck across the street for $2 per hour with a maximum of $18 per day.

 

jb

By the way, that article states that the new station will open mid-July.

 

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Old: Phoebe Snow (EL), Montrealer (AT), Laurentian (D&H)

RBBB: St. Petersburg - W. Palm Beach, Lakeland - Atlanta, Baltimore - NYC, Rochester, NY - Hartford, Albuquerque - Salt Lake City, Denver - Chicago

Modern: Ocean (VIA), Silver Star, Capitol Limited, Texas Eagle, Autotrain, Carolinian, Southwest Chief, California Zephyr, Lake Shore Limited

 


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Posted 24 May 2018 - 11:45 PM


Here's another article with more detail.
 
Here's NCDOT info on the station.
 
Notice that there is no free parking at the new station.  At the station is limited short-term parking for $1.25 per hour, with a maximum of two hours.  Long-term parking is in a parking deck across the street for $2 per hour with a maximum of $18 per day.
 
jb

By the way, that article states that the new station will open mid-July.
 
jb
Interestingly, the top of the webpage states that the station will open mid-July, but further down it claims that the new address will take effect in late May or early June. I am also curious as to whether the new Piedmont frequency has any bearing on the opening of the new station. I will be traveling to Raleigh in late June, so should either experience the end of the old station or the beginning of the new one.
<p>Routes Travelled: CL WAS-CHI, Card. CHI-WAS, Caro. CLT-RGH, CS SEA-LAX, CZ CHI-RIC, Cre. BAL-ATL, EB SEA-CHI, ES NYG/NYP-NFL, LSL BOS/NYP-CHI, ML ALB-NYP, NER FBG-RVR+WAS-BOS, PS LAX-ANA, Pen. NYP-PGH, Pie. RGH-CLT, SM ORL-NYP, SS MIA-NYP

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Posted 25 May 2018 - 08:30 AM

Well, those announcements are a little confusing, aren't they.  Anyway, the new frequency with the new schedule starts definitely on June 4 - and so has nothing to do with the move to the new station.

 

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Old: Phoebe Snow (EL), Montrealer (AT), Laurentian (D&H)

RBBB: St. Petersburg - W. Palm Beach, Lakeland - Atlanta, Baltimore - NYC, Rochester, NY - Hartford, Albuquerque - Salt Lake City, Denver - Chicago

Modern: Ocean (VIA), Silver Star, Capitol Limited, Texas Eagle, Autotrain, Carolinian, Southwest Chief, California Zephyr, Lake Shore Limited

 


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Posted 26 May 2018 - 04:30 PM

I understand that the new Piedmont service starts June 4, and the new station will open in the May 31-June 4 range. Only one of the two station tracks will be in service at first -- the second one is not yet tied into the main and that won't happen until:  1) the old station is demolished (should happen by mid-July) and 2) the existing NS track in relocated 10-15 feet or so to the south. Not sure how long that will take -- I think it's about 1,000 feet of track to be relocated. I think his will actually allow room to add a second freight track so it would be two tracks from just east of Raleigh Union Station through Boylan and on to Fetner (Cary station) 



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Posted 26 May 2018 - 08:48 PM

Of course in a pinch, the Piedmont service trains could use the track which is not tied back in on the southeastern side of the station.

 

Only the Carolinian and Silver Star will need to use the existing through track.


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Posted 27 May 2018 - 01:17 AM

Honestly that makes sense because the Piedmonts are already serviced on the Ex S Line by the old Seaboard station. It would eliminate two switch moves. One to pull forward past the switch. And a second to back up towards the yard.
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Posted 12 June 2018 - 12:26 AM

https://www.google.c...e212915899.html

According to this article, the new station is opening on June 27th. It is also stated that the reason for the delay is that the slope of the platform is too steep.
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<p>Routes Travelled: CL WAS-CHI, Card. CHI-WAS, Caro. CLT-RGH, CS SEA-LAX, CZ CHI-RIC, Cre. BAL-ATL, EB SEA-CHI, ES NYG/NYP-NFL, LSL BOS/NYP-CHI, ML ALB-NYP, NER FBG-RVR+WAS-BOS, PS LAX-ANA, Pen. NYP-PGH, Pie. RGH-CLT, SM ORL-NYP, SS MIA-NYP

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 02:31 PM

NCDOT confirms that the new Raleigh station will be open for business on June 27.

 

https://apps.ncdot.g...ls.aspx?r=15103

 

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Old: Phoebe Snow (EL), Montrealer (AT), Laurentian (D&H)

RBBB: St. Petersburg - W. Palm Beach, Lakeland - Atlanta, Baltimore - NYC, Rochester, NY - Hartford, Albuquerque - Salt Lake City, Denver - Chicago

Modern: Ocean (VIA), Silver Star, Capitol Limited, Texas Eagle, Autotrain, Carolinian, Southwest Chief, California Zephyr, Lake Shore Limited

 


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Posted 12 June 2018 - 04:47 PM

NCDOT confirms that the new Raleigh station will be open for business on June 27.

 

https://apps.ncdot.g...ls.aspx?r=15103

 

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It looks like NCDOT rescinded the announcement and the station is now opening in July.  The announcement reverted back to the way it was.

 

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Old: Phoebe Snow (EL), Montrealer (AT), Laurentian (D&H)

RBBB: St. Petersburg - W. Palm Beach, Lakeland - Atlanta, Baltimore - NYC, Rochester, NY - Hartford, Albuquerque - Salt Lake City, Denver - Chicago

Modern: Ocean (VIA), Silver Star, Capitol Limited, Texas Eagle, Autotrain, Carolinian, Southwest Chief, California Zephyr, Lake Shore Limited

 


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Posted 12 June 2018 - 08:59 PM


NCDOT confirms that the new Raleigh station will be open for business on June 27.
 
https://apps.ncdot.g...ls.aspx?r=15103
 
jb

It looks like NCDOT rescinded the announcement and the station is now opening in July.  The announcement reverted back to the way it was.
 
jb
It is not exactly the same as it was previously. Now it says only July whereas previously it said mid-July.
<p>Routes Travelled: CL WAS-CHI, Card. CHI-WAS, Caro. CLT-RGH, CS SEA-LAX, CZ CHI-RIC, Cre. BAL-ATL, EB SEA-CHI, ES NYG/NYP-NFL, LSL BOS/NYP-CHI, ML ALB-NYP, NER FBG-RVR+WAS-BOS, PS LAX-ANA, Pen. NYP-PGH, Pie. RGH-CLT, SM ORL-NYP, SS MIA-NYP

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 09:12 PM

Meanwhile, this article was also released today: https://www.railwaya...inally-opening/

It claims the station will open July 10th, while multiple other sources still list June 27th.
<p>Routes Travelled: CL WAS-CHI, Card. CHI-WAS, Caro. CLT-RGH, CS SEA-LAX, CZ CHI-RIC, Cre. BAL-ATL, EB SEA-CHI, ES NYG/NYP-NFL, LSL BOS/NYP-CHI, ML ALB-NYP, NER FBG-RVR+WAS-BOS, PS LAX-ANA, Pen. NYP-PGH, Pie. RGH-CLT, SM ORL-NYP, SS MIA-NYP

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 09:11 AM

Oh no, there's a train 78?
What will happen to the deadhead NPN-RVR #78 on Fridays? :P

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