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#21 cpotisch

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Posted 07 April 2018 - 08:52 PM

 

Let's be honest though since 2000 the Northeast Regionals have had plenty of names.

Initially real train names (which I prefer), then Acela Regional, Regional, and now Northeast Regional.

There really is no reason for The word northeast as other corridors don't run as Regionals. IE Midwest Regional, California regional, northwest regional.

But Amtrak went awry during the Warrington Era with the Acela Branding. Acela Regional and I think the other was Acela Commuter was just way to confusing. Cause let's be honest, calling every train Acela the traveling public would lead most to assume they are riding Acela equipment. 

 

Yeah (as I said above), Acela Commuter was the short-lived branding of the Clocker - the unreserved, rush hour, NYP-PHL commuter service that accepted NJT rail passes. It was pretty ridiculous to have one type of Acela (Express) be the 457 mile, flagship high-speed service, yet another kind of Acela is a slow, 91 mile commuter service only offering unreserved coach. Ahh, the genius of Amtrak.  :)


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Posted 07 April 2018 - 08:58 PM

Don't forget the Acela has purty curtains to go with the footrests and armrests. That being said, I agree with Benjibear's wife. I find the regular seats more comfortable. The original seats on the Acela, were really bad. I'm thinking of that sliding pillow/headrest.

 

They are also used much more these days. The sets used to have a large part of the weekend off for maintenance. That is no longer the case. The Acela sets are undergoing one last overhaul. You were probably on one that hasn't been completed.

 

I was on TS 19 the other day and looking at the Arm Rests in FC they looked beat up and in need of replacements. Much to my dismay the radio on the armrest was active. But with no audio. All you saw was the number one lit up. 

 

 

 

Let's be honest though since 2000 the Northeast Regionals have had plenty of names.

Initially real train names (which I prefer), then Acela Regional, Regional, and now Northeast Regional.

There really is no reason for The word northeast as other corridors don't run as Regionals. IE Midwest Regional, California regional, northwest regional.

But Amtrak went awry during the Warrington Era with the Acela Branding. Acela Regional and I think the other was Acela Commuter was just way to confusing. Cause let's be honest, calling every train Acela the traveling public would lead most to assume they are riding Acela equipment. 

 

Yeah (as I said above), Acela Commuter was the short-lived branding of the Clocker - the unreserved, rush hour, NYP-PHL commuter service that accepted NJT rail passes. It was pretty ridiculous to have one type of Acela (Express) be the 457 mile, flagship high-speed service, yet another kind of Acela is a slow, 91 mile commuter service only offering unreserved coach. Ahh, the genius of Amtrak.  :)

 

 

Yeah that was part of the Warrington Era. And needless to say that wasn't a good period of time. 


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Posted 08 April 2018 - 02:30 AM

Aspostedonanothersite-------

As posted on another site -----------  The more 160 MPH segments on the NEC go into service the more difference in timing between Acela and the NER trains becomes apparent.  That will strengthen the Acela brand name from the Regional and LD trains.


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Posted 08 April 2018 - 03:18 AM

The more 160 MPH segments on the NEC go into service 

 

Which is still at least a year or so away. 

 

I honestly don't know if Amtrak has plans to up the speed with the current equipment either. And on top of that the only additional location where speed will increase is in NJ. The stretch in Maryland and Delaware will remain at the current speeds. And I don't know if their are plans to upgrade the Catenary and Signals to 562 in that area. 

 

Let's remember that Acela is aimed at Business travelers looking to save time. Regional trains are aimed at travelers looking for the best price and are concerned about price. 


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Posted 08 April 2018 - 06:49 AM

Let's be honest though since 2000 the Northeast Regionals have had plenty of names.

Initially real train names (which I prefer), then Acela Regional, Regional, and now Northeast Regional.

There really is no reason for The word northeast as other corridors don't run as Regionals. IE Midwest Regional, California regional, northwest regional.

 

You forgot the "Northeast Direct" branding, which they were using right before the launched the Acela.


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Posted 08 April 2018 - 06:56 AM

 

The more 160 MPH segments on the NEC go into service 

 

Which is still at least a year or so away. 

 

I honestly don't know if Amtrak has plans to up the speed with the current equipment either. And on top of that the only additional location where speed will increase is in NJ. The stretch in Maryland and Delaware will remain at the current speeds. And I don't know if their are plans to upgrade the Catenary and Signals to 562 in that area. 

 

Let's remember that Acela is aimed at Business travelers looking to save time. Regional trains are aimed at travelers looking for the best price and are concerned about price. 

 

 

Considering that for most of the city pairs,  the time savings is minimal yet the fares are much higher, I would think that many corporate travel managers might wise up and make their people ride the Regionals.  The Regionals do seem to be filled with business travelers if you ride the trains at the time that business travelers usually ride.  Thise who are really price sensitive take the Bolt Bus or equivalent.

 

Now Acela first class is a superior product, and I can see business big shots who don't have to answer to the corporate travel managers spending the extra money to keep away from the riffraff, get a meal and enjoy the open bar.



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Posted 08 April 2018 - 07:48 AM

Let's be honest though since 2000 the Northeast Regionals have had plenty of names.
Initially real train names (which I prefer), then Acela Regional, Regional, and now Northeast Regional.
There really is no reason for The word northeast as other corridors don't run as Regionals. IE Midwest Regional, California regional, northwest regional.

 
You forgot the "Northeast Direct" branding, which they were using right before the launched the Acela.
Yes, but Northeast Direct was the name for all NEC routes put together. It included (what would later be) NER, but basically was just 20 routes mashed together and called Northeast Direct.

Edited by cpotisch, 08 April 2018 - 07:48 AM.

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Posted 08 April 2018 - 11:06 AM

 

The more 160 MPH segments on the NEC go into service 

 

Which is still at least a year or so away. 

 

I honestly don't know if Amtrak has plans to up the speed with the current equipment either. And on top of that the only additional location where speed will increase is in NJ. The stretch in Maryland and Delaware will remain at the current speeds. And I don't know if their are plans to upgrade the Catenary and Signals to 562 in that area.

 

I would like to think somewhere the question has been asked, if funding where to be made available how and where would it best be spent for Catenary, Signal, and Track upgrades?  That way, even if its unlikely to happen, they don't mess it up as bad as they have on the stretch in NJ.  But who knows....


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Posted 08 April 2018 - 01:05 PM

I suspect Delaware and Maryland would be the next including additional track in places.

 

And of course there is this huge thing called Gateway in NJ/NY which involves lots of additional tracks and bridges and tunnels and what not.



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Posted 09 April 2018 - 10:19 AM

I do think there would be something to be said naming the through Northeast Regionals that go all the way to Virginia something more distinctive sort of like the Lynchburger vernacular (I guess its now the Roanoker).

Same with the Regionals that originate or terminate in Springfield.

Amtrak Midwest is definitely a new name to discribe the corridor service out of Chicago its on the Charger locomotives and is now appearing in some marketing materials:
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Posted 16 April 2018 - 05:49 AM

As far as why we use ACELA, here is a recent trip report.

 

We took 2251 from South Station to NewYork Penn this past Saturday (4/14). 

 

The sold out train left on time, we ran ahead of schedule at the each of the limited stops, and arrived at NYP on the dot at 11:46 am.

This was despite some slow moves and waiting for a bridge to close.

 

The seats continue to be superior to Amfleet, far more room, the outlets all worked and the tray tables are far better to use laptops and tablets on.

 

Further the time savings of about 1/2 hour over regular NER service is priceless to those people like us who are part of the working world,

and value our leisure time like gold.

 

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