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#1 rtabern

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Posted 28 March 2018 - 12:34 PM

A source just shared with me that Mr. Anderson sent down a memo to employees this morning advising Amtrak will no longer do special charters or moves anymore EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY. The information is very vague, but does mention them essentially being a distraction to regular Amtrak operations. No specifics are mentioned --- but this is leaving many wondering what this means --- PV moves?  Ski train?  New River train?  Steam moves that require Amtrak power?  Leavenworth Snow Train?  Reno Fun Train?  Amtrak Fall Colors trip?

 

This is just breaking now.



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Posted 28 March 2018 - 12:41 PM

And it was pointed out on FB and I think another website that this is FAKE NEWS!



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Posted 28 March 2018 - 12:46 PM

This going to be fun. People in the know are now claiming it is a fake, while Trains Mag is running hard with it in its Newswire. So someone somewhere will have to eat some crow and swallow ones pride or some such, no matter which way this turns out at the end. :D


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Posted 28 March 2018 - 01:12 PM

The Trains Newswire piece is here.

 

Trains Newswire

 

Note that the Trains Newswire article says this was a "notice of policy change" circulated to employees.  It does not name Mr. Anderson as the source.



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Posted 28 March 2018 - 01:14 PM

The text that Trains quotes though, is verbatim from the little ditty that some of us did get to see, a document signed by Mr. Anderson supposedly.


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Posted 28 March 2018 - 01:17 PM

The one I saw on FB before it was taken down appeared to be fake and several people pointed that out.  The memo had shading under/over the text and there was even a cursor showing after one of the paragraphs - indicating it was a screenshot from a computer.



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Posted 28 March 2018 - 01:20 PM

So the question boils down to whether the thing that was displayed on the screen was a facsimile of a real document or one just cooked up by someone. There would be no way to tell.

 

My impression now is that there is definitely some policy change in the works regarding PVs and special moves, the details of which are slowly trickling out from PV owners that I know.

 

One example I heard is that PVs can bee added or removed only at origin and destination points of a train or at an intermediate stop with a scheduled stop of 30 mins or more. This will of course create unmitigated headaches for PV owners, but will be better for normal passengers as far as timekeeping goes. If I could get ten bucks for each time my train got delayed due to fiddling around with PVs, I could get a few free Amtrak rides out of that fund.

 

Also apparently the haulage charges are being bumped up significantly for anything that will be hauled conformant to the new add/drop rules.

 

Looks like they are trying to eliminate the negative balance in the haulage account. Of course that balance is partly determined by how costs are allocated and whether that bears any resemblance to the actual costs incurred. For example if costs of the Amtrak Reservation System are also allocated to that BU this action won't change any of the underlying costs. Just allocations to every other account will go up.


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Posted 28 March 2018 - 02:12 PM

I wonder if the recent charter of the CZ by the gaming geeks is included?  Considering that all food service was paid for in advance by the groups commercial vendors and sponsors not sure the charter was a money looser for Amtrak.  There were extra cars that probably deadheaded back to Chicago.



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Posted 28 March 2018 - 02:17 PM

Well good thing I've been trying to get out of charters because looks like if I stay much longer I'll be unemployed. I'll run this up the flag pole past some of my sources from the Susie q trip and get back with you with what I'm allowed to say.
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Posted 28 March 2018 - 02:24 PM

Hmmm.  If this is true, does it include the Democrat and Republican special charters from Washington DC?



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Posted 28 March 2018 - 02:30 PM

I am sure there is an appropriate "weasel phrase" like "some exceptions" or such :D

 

If you are a paid up member of Trainroders you can take a look at the memo in question at https://www.trainord...223220805_n.jpg


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Posted 28 March 2018 - 02:33 PM

http://trn.trains.co...s-charter-moves

 

This article mentions Amtrak to end the special trains and moves. However, question is: will it happen or not?..


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Posted 28 March 2018 - 02:38 PM

It's confirmed guys. Just got off the phone with two sources.
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Posted 28 March 2018 - 02:47 PM

And it was pointed out on FB and I think another website that this is FAKE NEWS!

 

AND what is your source it's fake news?  

 

Facebook?  Mwahahahahahahaha.

 

Then someone must have hacked Anderson's e-mail, as thousands of Amtrak employees just received it in their inbox this morning... and is on Trains Magazine website.

 

I guess someone hacked the Collis P Huntington's inbox too and advised them no more train moves come April 1st.


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Posted 28 March 2018 - 02:51 PM

It's confirmed guys. Just got off the phone with two sources.

 

Yep. I usually confirm things with 4-5 sources before posting here.  Can't say I have never been wrong and had to "eat crow" (news about the dome in particular one time!) --- but I would say my info has been right 97-99% of the time when confirmed with 4-5 independent sources who would know the information.

 

Now the question is WHAT does the memo apply to?

 

A)  New River Train

 

B)  All PV moves

 

C) Amtrak Ski Train

 

D) Leavenworth Snow Train

 

E) Reno Fun Train

 

F) Amtrak Autumn Express

 

G) Steam trips that would require an Amtrak engine normally

 

H) Groups that charter one car of a regularly scheduled train (like the 20th Century RR Club)

 

or... gosh forbid all of the above



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Posted 28 March 2018 - 02:55 PM

 

And it was pointed out on FB and I think another website that this is FAKE NEWS!


AND what is your source it's fake news?

Facebook? Mwahahahahahahaha.

Then someone must have hacked Anderson's e-mail, as thousands of Amtrak employees just received it in their inbox this morning... and is on Trains Magazine website.

I guess someone hacked the Collis P Huntington's inbox too and advised them no more train moves come April 1st.

 


She already told you what her source was, so please stop giving her a hard time unnecessarily.
 
The sequence of events as visible to me, as it unfolded (from my vantage point) was:
 
1. A message was posted on FB with the memo that I have since posted a pointer to in TO.
 
2. Soon after that it was removed saying that it is fake.
 
3. Trains Mag came out with their Newswire quoting from that memo, but not providing any pointer to it , somewhat naturally since it was an internal memo.
 
4. The Memo was posted in TO at a relatively innocuous place but an list that would be of much relevance - Steam Excursions
 
5. Borden Black (owner of "Dearing") posted a plea on FB Amtrak group explaining what they have been told and asking folks to start communication with Amtrak powers that be regarding the matter.
 
6. Most recently Seabord92 got verifying calls from friends in the know.
 
The current theory is that it applies to everything that Amtrak choose not to make an exceptional case of, which probably means pretty much everything in the current mood.

 

Although I suspect it probably does not cover the case where some party reserves a whole bunch of seats on a regular service and Amtrak chooses to add a car to accommodate them without killing space for normal customers.


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Posted 28 March 2018 - 02:59 PM

It's confirmed guys. Just got off the phone with two sources.

 
Yep. I usually confirm things with 4-5 sources before posting here.  Can't say I have never been wrong and had to "eat crow" (news about the dome in particular one time!) --- but I would say my info has been right 97-99% of the time when confirmed with 4-5 independent sources who would know the information.
 
Now the question is WHAT does the memo apply to?
 
A)  New River Train
 
B)  All PV moves
 
C) Amtrak Ski Train
 
D) Leavenworth Snow Train
 
E) Reno Fun Train
 
F) Amtrak Autumn Express
 
G) Steam trips that would require an Amtrak engine normally
 
H) Groups that charter one car of a regularly scheduled train (like the 20th Century RR Club)
 
or... gosh forbid all of the above

A. Has been cancelled for this year unless they are able to make headway. They are meeting with their congressmen sometime tomorrow.

B. I will ask some more around I was looking more towards my projects and contracts more so then that. Will update if I learn.

C. Not sure that's not something I would be privy too. Nor is it something I work on.

D. Last year was supposedly the last one period.

E. Did that even run last year or this year. I don't recall it?

F. Again not privy to it. But I'm not hopeful.

G. I hope not as I have one planned for next year. I'll reach out to them and if need be modify my plan for a commuter railroad nearby. But I would assume cancelled.

H. I'm not sure yet as I didn't check on single car moves.

I. Political charters. Probably still operating because you have to suck up to politicians.
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Posted 28 March 2018 - 03:00 PM

Which I have to ask why?

Recall a old IG report that stated Amtrak was make money off these special movement, and PV hauls.

Really how many people does it take to pull off a special movement?

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Posted 28 March 2018 - 03:07 PM

Also before we lament completely the loss of private cars, steam excursions, and the like. Please remember people like me and my colleagues because special ops contribute the largest part of our yearly income.
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Posted 28 March 2018 - 03:07 PM

I suspect it has something to do with allocated cost accounting as opposed to incremental cost/revenue accounting. Something that is really spectacularly profitable can show up as a significant loss maker if you are able to allocate sufficient costs onto it to make other businesses look better in allocated cost accounting, which Amtrak is required to do by FRA.


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